As I sat watching my kids play, the raucous laughter echoing around us, I couldn't help but ponder the freedom in those unabashed giggles – a stark contrast to the world where hypersensitivity and censorship loom large. This episode journeys through the labyrinth of social critique, starting with Tom McDonald's raw lyrics in "Politically Incorrect," stirring the pot of free speech and challenging the status quo. We don't shy away from the hard questions; instead, we embrace them, discussing Rolf Dobelli's "Thinking Clearly" and our own tales of sportsmanship gone awry, offering a candid window into the personal struggles of standing up for one's beliefs.
Contagion bias, that insidious psychological quirk, takes center stage as we dissect how history can cling to objects and memories, casting long shadows over the present. With a guest who brings poignant stories from their family's past, we explore the emotional whirlpool of handling relics with a notorious history, and how reverence can morph into revulsion. The conversation strides further, into the quagmire of association misconceptions, where we probe the allure of Michael Jordan's sneakers and the weighty implications of owning artifacts from darker times. The Web3 community serves as a modern-day case study, revealing how reputation and accountability knit together in the digital tapestry.
The final chapter sees a sudden, heartwarming interruption – a call from home that pulls me back to the chaos of family life, cutting our discussion short but enriching it with a spontaneous reflection on parenthood's trials and triumphs. Before the abrupt end, we chart the treacherous terrain of averages and outliers, delving into the deceptive nature of statistics that gloss over extremes, from trading wins to housing markets. By the time the curtain falls on this episode, you'll have traversed a landscape where critical thinking reigns supreme and where understanding the full story is not just recommended, it's essential.
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As I sat watching my kids play, the raucous laughter echoing around us, I couldn't help but ponder the freedom in those unabashed giggles – a stark contrast to the world where hypersensitivity and censorship loom large. This episode journeys through the labyrinth of social critique, starting with Tom McDonald's raw lyrics in "Politically Incorrect," stirring the pot of free speech and challenging the status quo. We don't shy away from the hard questions; instead, we embrace them, discussing Rolf Dobelli's "Thinking Clearly" and our own tales of sportsmanship gone awry, offering a candid window into the personal struggles of standing up for one's beliefs.
Contagion bias, that insidious psychological quirk, takes center stage as we dissect how history can cling to objects and memories, casting long shadows over the present. With a guest who brings poignant stories from their family's past, we explore the emotional whirlpool of handling relics with a notorious history, and how reverence can morph into revulsion. The conversation strides further, into the quagmire of association misconceptions, where we probe the allure of Michael Jordan's sneakers and the weighty implications of owning artifacts from darker times. The Web3 community serves as a modern-day case study, revealing how reputation and accountability knit together in the digital tapestry.
The final chapter sees a sudden, heartwarming interruption – a call from home that pulls me back to the chaos of family life, cutting our discussion short but enriching it with a spontaneous reflection on parenthood's trials and triumphs. Before the abrupt end, we chart the treacherous terrain of averages and outliers, delving into the deceptive nature of statistics that gloss over extremes, from trading wins to housing markets. By the time the curtain falls on this episode, you'll have traversed a landscape where critical thinking reigns supreme and where understanding the full story is not just recommended, it's essential.
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Thank you. My generation's afraid of a piece. Y'all so intolerant. They're ashamed of themselves because they're privileged and whiter. They're black and the opposite.
Speaker 3:You get charged with harassment for hugging a woman and giving a compliment. Y'all way too sensitive, yet offended to death. Bring all the coffins in. I swear that y'all are mad at everything that don't affect your life. I swear that y'all believe that being offended just means that you're right. I swear that y'all just wanna be the only ones who everyone likes. I swear if I swear at you, ninnies, you probably so triggered you'd cry. And nobody wants to be real. Everyone's scared of how everyone feels. We become so ultra sensitive and hyper tolerant that, honestly, honesty gon' be illegal. It's crazy. Y'all get so shocked and bothered From people saying things that aren't responsible. If that seems logical, y'all are weak. Then If someone says retard, it ruins your weekend and that's retarded. My hair been in braids cause it looks hella awesome, y'all like to scream I appropriate culture, but I don't hear nothing. I'm paying homage. Y'all are just trying to get likes on your comments. Googling quotes that are socially conscious and saying you're woke doesn't make you a prophet.
Speaker 2:It makes you a liar stupid up north. Mama, you must think I'm someone else, cause y'all don't wanna fuck with me, cause I don't feel the pressure. No, I will not be censored, I'm not afraid. That's why they fuck with me. My name will be remembered and I will live forever. I bet y'all hate that y'all are stuck with me.
Speaker 3:Happy Halloween For one evening only. You wear what you want, unless it's a poncho, a headdress or afro. You'll piss someone off. I'd say Merry Christmas, but I know that it's about to be gone. If religious freedom's such a dire issue, why you dress like a priest in October for fun? Don't let him censor your thoughts. Don't let him make you regret that you talked. Don't let them tell you that nice is the law. Tryna, make you all righter when nothing is wrong. Yeah, words hurt you, clothes hurt you, memes hurt you, jokes hurt you, we hurt you Half the time you don't even probably know what hurt you, but you're super mad.
Speaker 3:Trust, we heard you. You a pawn in a broken system. Are you triggered? Much you been showing symptoms. Y'all are so addicted to being hopeless victims. Y'all can crash a plane and blame the road conditions and your only sickness is your social vision Makes you scared of choices, but you pro-decision, so you march along but never go the distance, yellin' way too loud until no one listens.
Speaker 2:Always on that blah blah. Y'all should keep it to yourselves. Miss me with that drama. You must think I'm someone else, cause y'all don't wanna fuck with me, cause I don't feel the pressure. No, I will not be censored, I'm not afraid. That's why they fuck with me. My name will be remembered and I will live forever. I bet y'all hate that y'all are stuck with me. My name will be remembered and I will live forever. I bet y'all hate that y'all are stuck with me.
Speaker 3:You look like the devil, you sound like some Christians. You just want a medal for asking permission. You just want a pat on the back, in addition to being so tolerant. Fine, I admit it, you're nicer, you're better you're righter, you're brilliant. Most sensitive creatures in all of existence, my freedom of thought should be censored with prison? The world would be better if we weren't so different always on that blah blah.
Speaker 2:Y'all should keep it to yourselves. Miss me with that drama. You must think I'm someone else else, cause y'all don't wanna fuck with me, cause I don't feel the pressure. No, I will not be censored, I'm not afraid. That's why they fuck with me. My name will be remembered and I will live forever. I bet y'all hate that. Y'all are stuck with me.
Speaker 7:Y'all just stop with me, all right, welcome to Bamboo Book Time. That song was called Politically Incorrect by Tom McDonald. Again, going on with thinking critically. Use some critical thinking when listening to songs like that. The messages that he's trying to convey uh, obviously a lot of his songs are starting to sound very similar because he sings a lot of the same messages but ultimately just um, trying to get people to understand that. Uh, he's obviously trying to trigger people because, um, they're not thinking critically and they're, um, and they're getting too emotional and too triggered over things. So, talking about the book Thinking Clearly by Rolf Dobelli, we are on number 54 this week, starting from 54, and we've got a whole lot of ground to cover. So, welcome everybody, and let's get this started.
Speaker 8:Let's get this party started. I like it. Thank you, sparky. Good to be here today with you guys. I apologize for, as it's been the Sunday scheduling it's a little last minute and I even changed it up last minute. On you guys, I apologize but my crazy, crazy sports season is not going to be too much longer. A couple more weeks, I think, and then my life should slow down a little bit.
Speaker 8:But we had a good game today, took a loss, but I'm really, really proud of our players because they took a loss to some real jerk kids. They were just the meanest little, jerky little kids. I really was having a hard time myself trying to keep my cool today. All the kids I don't know, all of us. We kind of kept our head in the game and these kids were just, you know, like taunting and as far as like saying some vulgar stuff. Like these little 10 and 11, 12 year old age kids like out there talking shit to each other is so weird. I was just like at one point I went and talked to the ref. I was like yo, who, who's this team? What, what's going on? They're like we don't know what's going on. We're gonna try to handle this. And one kid was like yeah, shove it in your ash and stick it in your mouth. I was like what is going on? Where are the parents here? It was a really good test for the whole team, including the kids, to keep their cool. One of our kids got up after getting shoved down like a flagrant foul by the other team and he just gets up and looks the kid in the eyes and turns around and walks. I was like, wow, man, he could have thrown some hands right there and I think everyone would have been okay with it.
Speaker 8:A little bit of a wild afternoon on the youth sports basketball court. So I'm excited to be here. I see Daps here. I want to catch up with you, my friend. How you been? I've missed you the past couple of times. How's everything going for you?
Speaker 5:I'm wiped. So, like last week, jacqueline's grandfather passed away no Tuesday, it was on Tuesday and it had been like a long ordeal. He was on dialysis and it kind of like got drug out and stuff and he had DNR but his wife told him to or ended up. They ended up taking him to the hospital anyways and they just laid there to the machine. You know that deal. So that's what this week was like. On top of I was trying to balance all of that and be respectful of her and still have this huge new client. It's taking every bit of time that I do have, yeah, that. And then I had some raised beds that I've thrown together. I try to still get them done in time so that we can actually grow something. Got those together and just a few minutes ago I unloaded 20 bags of topsoil and threw it in there. So yay.
Speaker 8:We get to play Dang, so you're exhausted after a long weekend of hard work.
Speaker 5:That's nice, that's a good feeling, yeah it is, but yeah, and then we're right at the finish line on the wall. Sorry that's taken so long too, but I've got all that. I've got all but two of the orders that are sitting here in a box ready to go in the mail.
Speaker 8:So, yeah, that's exciting. Yeah, thank you, my friend. No, I know I know you stay busy and, uh, I'm just really grateful to to have your, your skills and artwork to be able to make use of. So, yeah, I I uh saw your message. Thank you so much for the update and I'm still just up waiting for the bill. Let me know how much I owe you.
Speaker 5:Oh yeah, I like getting everything taken care of first before I send that. That way I got an exact thing, but yeah, I know you're like whatever.
Speaker 8:People are pretty stoked on those. If you're cool with with it, I'll shoot out an announcement and say hey, we're, we're. Uh, well, underway, things are, things are moving and uh yeah, a few people have asked.
Speaker 5:They're really excited about those, so that's exciting yeah, I've just got one to clarify with you, and then I've got one that's getting wrapped up because it's the big one that's going over the ocean.
Speaker 8:Okay, yeah, I'll get you whatever we need. I'm so thankful and we're just about ready for puzzles. Are you still down to do that? Oh, yeah, oh yeah. That would be easier, Hell yeah.
Speaker 5:Someone's process is involved with the wallets because you've got to get them together and the packaging and everything else. And jacqueline, she helped me a lot too on doing uh some of the more like tedious parts to it that uh weren't as fun, so I appreciate her for yeah, yes, thank you so much.
Speaker 8:That's going to be really exciting. I think people really have a hard time even wanting to make use of it for real and etch into it. That's how I feel. I haven't even etched mine yet for me to want to uh, go in and actually use it, but it's such a like cool, clean piece of artwork that you've done, it's like shit. Now I gotta etch into this and but yeah, maybe I shouldn't have had a brush or a polished finish on there it looks so good.
Speaker 8:I can see that hell. Yeah well, thanks for joining us tonight. I think we finally found a pretty good little rhythm. We're actually just discussing each chapter now, so Sparky got us on a pretty good routine here with this book. Before we jump into it with Sparky, ryan wanted to check in with you, my friend. How are you doing? How's your weekend been? I don't know, I don't know if it's just me, but can you guys hear, ryan, I think we're going to have to send another submarine down to get him.
Speaker 7:It sounds like his headphones are in his pocket and he's talking through that.
Speaker 8:Maybe that's what was going on. We'll try again. We'll try again here. All right, Ryan, we're going to try this again.
Speaker 1:How about now?
Speaker 8:Yeah, there you are.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my Bluetooth was connecting and disconnecting there for a minute when we first started the space, so that's probably what it was. That's interesting that it does that. It lags out. But yeah, good evening, good evening, and yeah, it's been a good weekend, just chilling.
Speaker 1:Definitely feel the tiredness today. I think that's an A-air Kind of sound in all of our voices I feel I can hear it. I was gonna call we all sound tired. We got some some energy sucked out of us those last couple weeks or week at least sounds like. But, um, I'm just kicking back, uh, listening to you guys watching my son play some fortnight and my other son's sitting here singing songs and so if you hear him, he's over here just yakking up a storm with his little school songs. Oh, but yeah, it's been.
Speaker 1:It's been different, trying to adjust to the time. I was like freaking, throwing me off for a loop. Man, I'm like two o'. I'm like 2 o'clock. I'm like, yep, 2 o'clock, I'm going to do this. 2 o'clock already, it's 4 o'clock, it's 6 o'clock. I'm like, shoot, I don't even know anymore. I am freaking up knowing what time this thing starts today. So, oh God, that was funny, man, it had me double-checking. Did I miss the space. Oh, but good one man, I totally understand. Be the good dad you are and support those. Sounds like you got some aliens out there throwing out those. I don't know what age group they are, but sounds familiar. I remember those days.
Speaker 8:Yes, bro, and thank you for putting up with the time change. I'm also babysitting this weekend my wife's brother. They're two little kids and they are just pure energy, bro, oh my gosh. So I'm definitely wearing the exhaustion after this weekend Just adding those two to the equation.
Speaker 8:It's been nonstop and I have to have activities prepared for these two. They're just 100% energy Absolute. I don't know where they get it from and it's from wake up until sleep and I have to trick them somehow to get to sleep. And they're so excited to be over here that it's like 100x of what their normal energy is. Even so, yeah, I'm having a hard time even faking having energy in my voice. I can feel it as it's coming out. I'm having a hard time even faking having energy in my voice. I can feel it as it's coming out. I'm like holy shit, I am tired. It's good, though. I feel accomplished.
Speaker 8:I was a little nervous for this weekend, like, all right, add two little energetic kids to my normal routine. And we did it. We did it. Now they're comfortable in their little routine. My wife is here and helping and my son has just been a rock star. And here we are and I'm excited to get to the book time now. I think, if I remember correctly Sparky correct me if I'm wrong here we were about to read the chapter about Hitler's sweater. Is that where we are?
Speaker 8:Yeah, yeah, we just finished Decision Fatigue and we talked about that one haven't had a chance to really go back and dive back into this one, but my initial thought on this chapter was like, even if I know that the contagion is like not real and it's, I know that other people know about and feel things, and like if I were walking around with a sweater and I know it's clean and it like none of his actual anything is on it anymore.
Speaker 8:It's still like other people will know, and I yeah, that's the weird it's almost like I'm I'm rubbing it in other people's faces and I I feel like there's a little bit of like a respect thing in there, that that, uh, like victims and what why would you do that to the victim? I don't know. I feel like this one was deep and difficult for me to even kind of grasp, so I was excited to hear your take on this one.
Speaker 7:I think it's a very true to form thing. It's something that a lot of people hold just on their day-to-day with with certain things, like, if you ever have, like a specific stock that, uh, you invested it and it didn't do well on you, um, and like you know, in theory, there's no reason why you shouldn't play it again, uh, because it'll always do like different performances. Uh, whether it goes like positive or negative, people tend to have this contagion bias that you know it screwed me out of a lot of money so I'm never going to touch it again. Um, but, like, when we're talking about physical items, there was a very funny sort of clip on um on youtube with uh burt kreischer and um uh his friend, tom segura, and they, uh, tom segura, bought uh burt kreischer a gift and and he didn't tell him what it was and on the podcast, revealed it to him and it wound up being hitler's teacup and he thought, like burt kreischer thought it was going to be like um, uh, whatever, some, some american dude's cup, but it wound up being uh hitler's teacup and he's like I should destroy this, like there's no reason I should be keeping this. I should be destroying this 100 and again, it's that contagious thing. It's like you're talking about where, even if you know there's nothing wrong with it, like you can wash it, you can scrub it, you can bleach the damn thing, but just the fact that he owned it immediately makes it nazi memorabilia and you look like a nazi sympathizer by having this thing in your house. So you, you definitely have to be careful in that instance, because you, you don't want to have that kind of picture painted about you, even though in some instances it's like it's historic that you could own something like that and it still exists, like there's. You know, it's not like you are hitler, but people would still classify you as that if you had it. So yeah, it's.
Speaker 7:It's a bizarre sort of notion that we have. It's similar to like if someone's sick and they touch something, you you're like, oh, I gotta burn this thing because I don't want to get sick myself, even if they touched it like six months prior or whatever. Um, people also go through the same stuff when they have family members who pass away and they gotta go through their house and they gotta, uh like basically purge all the shit that they hoarded over the years. They come across stuff and it's like we, we know there's nothing wrong with this and we should keep it, but, um, you know they were sick and we don't want to hold on to it. Or if there was like some negative emotion behind that person, they were an abuser or something along those lines. You're like I, I don't want to touch this shit, I want to stay away from this stuff, so, so let's get rid of it, let's do whatever. Whereas there is a bit of an opposite side of things, where people will hoard things because of that same sentiment. So, even though the contagion is there for certain things, there can also be the opposite. And so, to kind of touch on what we're talking about, since we haven't really kind of explained it, the 9th century Europe, especially France, descended into anarchy.
Speaker 7:Counts, commanders, knights and other local rulers were perpetually embroiled in battles. The ruthless warriors looted farms, raped women, trampled fields, kidnapped pastors and set convents alight. Both the church and the unarmed farmers were powerless against the noble, savage warmongering. In the 10th century, a French bishop had an idea he asked the princes and knights to assemble in a field. Meanwhile, priests, bishops and abbots gathered all the relics that they could muster from the area and displayed them there. It was a striking sight Bones, blood-soaked rags, bricks and tiles, anything that had ever come in contact with a saint.
Speaker 7:The bishop at the time, a person who commanded respect, then called upon the nobles, in the presence of the relics, to renounce unbridled violence and attacks against the unarmed. Presence of the relics, to renounce unbridled violence and attacks against the unarmed. In order to add weight to his demand, he waved the bloody clothes and holy bones in front of them. The nobles must have had enormous, enormous reverence for such symbols, the bishop's unique appeal to their conscious spread throughout europe, promoting the peace and truce of god. One should never underestimate the fear of saints in the middle ages and of saints relics, says american history historian philip dale, leader or whatever the fuck. Anyways, basically, we're attributing that these, these bones and these bloodied rags, were saints stuff and, um, we're in fear of them so we don't want to, you know, murder anybody or whatever else. Um, because they're keeping them safe, or whatever. So you can laugh at it right?
Speaker 8:I? I was a little confused by this story, so that that was just a. They were.
Speaker 7:I mean, it was a play, right yeah, yeah yeah, okay, it was just like a higher bluff, yeah yeah okay, okay but it would be like you know you, you giving someone a sweater, that's that, and you say it was hitler's sweater. Even if it wasn't hitler's sweater, the connotation that it's hitler's sweater can give people that idea that I don't want to touch it, get it away from you, keep it out of my house.
Speaker 8:It could be like okay, so they give that to us as an example of like, maybe this doesn't, maybe you don't feel this one, but how about the name hitler do?
Speaker 5:you feel?
Speaker 8:okay, I get it now interesting yeah, so it's.
Speaker 7:it's one of those things that we've we've associated a contagion, contagion being an actual thing or a symbolic thing, something of that nature that it's there. We've added that we've associated that contagion to it and we don't want to have anything to do with it because of that contagion. You're revering it, you're fearing it, you're not wanting to go near it because of it. And I mean, even in the, even the concept of like don't swear in church has that sort of connotation as well. There's a contagion to the church that if you do something negative in the house of god, you're going to be damned to hell for the rest of eternity. Like you, you swear, you do anything abuse or any, anything that's, you know, deemed immoral. You do that in in the place of worship, then you know it's it's gonna damn you to hell. But if it's not in a place of worship, it's okay, like the concept is bizarre.
Speaker 8:It's like added, extra, added responsibility in one specific location to yeah Okay. So I had a question Is there a good contagion Like so much success, like this is riddled with success, or is that going to be fallen under a different fallacy, you think?
Speaker 7:It's kind of the same. It's association bias, which we've talked about before. Uh, there's there's some biases that that are very similar. In this the contagion tends to have like a negative connotation, but they all tend to be very similar and very much the same because, like we talked about the one where, okay, if it was like michael jordan's shoes and he wore them and you got them and you're like, if I wear these, I'll be a good basketball player, or it's the same.
Speaker 8:Isn't that in that movie holes uh stanley, yell, yell, gnats or whatever. He he got some shoes from some athlete and uh, that, that reminded me of that. That was funny, uh. But yeah, that's what I'm talking about, like a good contagion, like Michael Jordan's shoes. That's a perfect example.
Speaker 7:Yeah, so that that's a kind of like association bias, um, where we're, like I said, we're giving this association to something. That um, giving this association is something that this famous person did this or whatever, and it may not actually be true, but we're using it as something to try and mean something else. It's very much like the superstition of wearing these specific shorts that are going to be lucky for the team or whatever. It's not real. We're just adding this association to it. It's funny because at the end of the association bias chapter, which was 48, it even says the first chapter, like on my PDF, it says the first chapter to also see is contagion bias, because they're literally the exact same, just opposite ends. It's like one's the positive and one's the negative side.
Speaker 8:That's really helpful. You've got those extra notes. I should jot that down whenever you mention something like that. Or I should just download the PDF, because I think that's really helpful yes, because they're all linked. And to have this guy tell you like, okay, this one's super linked to this one, it's. I like that. That's helpful.
Speaker 7:So the end of the chapter basically says the contagion bias describes how we are incapable of ignoring the connection we feel to certain items, be they from long ago or only indirectly related, as with photos. A friend was a longtime war correspondent for the French public television channel France 2. Just as passengers on a Caribbean cruise take home souvenirs from each island, a straw hat or a painted coconut, my friend also collected mementos from her adventures. One of her last missions was to Baghdad in 2003. A few hours after American troops stormed Saddam hussein's government palace, she crept into the private quarters. In the dining room she spotted six gold-plated wine glasses and promptly commandeered them. When I attended one of her dinner parties in paris recently, the gilded goblets had pride and of place on the dining room table. Are these from from Lafayette? One person asked no, they're Saddam Hussein's, she said candidly. A horrified guest spat his wine back into the glass and began to sputter uncontrollably. I had to contribute. You realize how many molecules you've already shared with Saddam simply by breathing. I asked About a billion per breath. His cough got even worse. It's not even a real thing, but these people are attributing it to it and you know there's so much stuff like that.
Speaker 7:She obviously stole something from Saddam Hussein's palace and had it in her house. We had similar stuff happen in uh, nazi germany. Like canadians, americans, whoever, british they all stole a bunch of stuff over the years when they were there and and brought it home as souvenirs and it became these prized possessions that people got from like spoils of war but wind up being that they're. They're nazi possessions essentially and uh, and people here thought they were the greatest trophies ever. But if you were to look at them like nowadays and most people would be like, why do you have nazi memorabilia? Um, some stuff obviously didn't have that sort of uh, look to it, but it's, it's an interesting concept. It's.
Speaker 7:It's very interesting to see how we associate stuff with things. And I mean, if you even look at our current reality and the stuff that we deal with in kind of this space and web3, it's like this person touched that project so it's already contagious and I don't want anything to do with it because they were a rugger or whatever. And uh, even if they had nothing to do with it or if they um, just were friends with it, like I've seen projects where somebody who bought into the project, who I've done an article on or I've. I've seen that they're a toxic personality. If they, if I see them holding them, it's like I don't want anything to do with it. It doesn't necessarily mean the project's a bad project but I don't want to be around that guy and it's got the contagion bias, because he's just a bad seed and I don't want to be around him. So it may not necessarily Don't you think there's some?
Speaker 8:I don't know? Don't you think that's okay to like recognize some contagion? Oh yeah, the realities of like okay, sometimes the contagion can be, because in that sense I don't know, it does beg the question of like, how much rubbed off onto them? How much did they change during those moments of being, you know, around the contagion? Did they catch it? I don't know it does, because it is so complex with with a piece of clothing, it's really easy to like, be like oh, that's silly, it's, it's washed, it's clean. But with like communities or or movements, or like belief systems, I don know. That's a really tricky concept in my mind right now of how maybe it's okay to recognize a little bit of contagion and in different circumstances. Is it real, can it be real, or should it be classified as such? I don't even know what I'm asking with it.
Speaker 7:Well, sometimes a contagion is a realistic thing. I mean, we talk about the hitler one. If hitler was still around, it'd be a lot bigger of a problem than it just being something from you know back in the 40s that we don't want to touch. You know 80 years ago or whatever. Uh, versus you're dealing with someone right now who's a toxic personality, a toxic person. True, that's true. Yeah, especially with what we're talking about.
Speaker 7:I have a specific person on Web3 that if I see them around anything, if they're a part of the project or if they're vocal in the project, I'm not touching that project. I'm staying away from it. It because if they've gotten anyone on that team, on their side, as it were, then it's already tainted because that person is just a piece of shit as far as I'm concerned. I mean, you look at kind of the entire history of what they've done. It's it's hard to excuse it, especially when, when it's brought to their like, brought to their perspective or brought to their attention, and the person basically goes no, I didn't do that, that's all lies about me. It's like there's evidence to say that you did, to show that you did. It's not that it's, it's false. Like you said these things, you did these things, and until you're willing to own up to it, like that, that still stands, you're still a dick. So I think if someone like that like if we're wanting to get rid of the contagion if they were to own up to their mistakes and whatever, that would be a completely different scenario. But if they dig in and dig in their heels and say like I'm not, I'm not wrong and I did nothing wrong, then there's a bigger problem at stake, because they clearly have no ability to see their own faults and things like that and to kind of clarify the person we're talking about.
Speaker 7:They're like they'd gone through like four or five not that I'm going to name names, obviously, but they went through like four or five different communities and try to be like on the team, try to be a member of the team and then, out of nowhere, flipped on the on. The people started calling them um names, calling them ruggers, calling the community pieces of shit out of nowhere, like just just flipped on them. On one community he wound up like stealing $15,000 worth of stuff from somebody, basically claiming that he needed the funds for something or whatever. I mean there's all these screenshots of text messages and the guy to this day says that he didn't do any of that stuff. So it's one of those things that like if you came out and said, yeah, I fucked up, I was a dick or I'd, I'd be like, okay, that's a a different kettle of fish, but the fact that this person says that's all fud and that's, that's fake news and it's like dude. The evidence is there, the screenshots are there. So I don't know yeah, I think.
Speaker 8:I think there is a big difference. Now I'm just kind of analyzing past prominent figure versus right now situation dealing with. Yeah, I don't know. That's hard, though, to reconcile some stuff in the present and try to deal with thoughts of contagion and stuff, because, I don't know, especially in a space like this, a lot of people are rewarded for being bad actors and a lot of people are forgiven so quick. It's almost like there wasn't even a period of people mad at them and, uh, there's even almost a little bit of a celebration of like, yeah, you fucked over a bunch of people, you are alpha, it's like yeah going on right now.
Speaker 8:So it it's in in the casino.
Speaker 8:It's a bit it's a bit hard to uh uh navigate when, when the police or the security guards are part of I don't know, it just feels like it's in a dangerous setting with bad actors. This one can be, and again it leaks into so many other fallacies. But I'm just thinking of influence and how quickly it can. But I'm just thinking of influence and how quickly it can rub off on you and whoever's reputation that you just were around can rub off on you. And I see, I guess in normal quote-unquote influencer worlds you should be careful and you should make the right moves. Otherwise, I mean, look at like the rap battle going on right now, you've got two guys just telling the whole world about each other, what they think is wrong with each other, and some accountability there being had and at least in like most influencer worlds like that, like, and at least in like most influencer worlds like that, like there's some, you know, quote unquote community policing of like yo, you're a bad dude and we're going to call you out on it. I don't know.
Speaker 7:I feel like in Web 3 we have an extra challenge ahead of us in that some bad actors are kind of celebrated. Look at, look at Izuki and look at the guy there, the founder of azuki. I mean, he, he rugged three projects before he even had azuki take off. And yet people are like, oh, azuki's the greatest and who cares about what he did before? And and you're like, but wait a second, like anybody else rugs a project and they're vilified and they're, they're thrown under the bus and let's get rid of these, these bad actors.
Speaker 7:But this guy anonymously did it to three other projects and then runs this one and it becomes a success and then comes out and says, oh, I did it to three other projects beforehand and everyone's like, eh, no big deal. It's like it's like no, no, that is a big deal. Like like, wait a second here. Uh, it's, it's. It's a bit of an ass backward kind of um community on the whole with with web three, because because of that sort of sentiment, uh, too many people getting away with shit that they shouldn't be getting away with and and um away with shit that they shouldn't be getting away with and and um others getting vilified for small things that you obviously aren't that small. But when you do the comparison between the two you're like well, why wasn't this guy destroyed? Clearly he should have been. Why wasn't he so? I don't know it's. It's a really messed up, messed up kind of ecosystem that we're in, and it's.
Speaker 8:it's not black and white. I'm feeling that that there is a difference in in industries a bit Like this one's a little bit wilder.
Speaker 7:Yeah, like it's it's. It's not black and white, as as it should be to some degree, and it's. It's weird because if shit like if shit that happens in web three happened in in the real world. Like here's a company that did its whole investor staking start, started off, got people to put in hundreds of thousands of dollars and then didn't even attempt to create a product and just took the money and ran like they would get brought up on charges of theft. Almost it's you. You can't do that sort of shit, but because it's that, was kind of the playbook in like 2022.
Speaker 7:Well, some some of the yeah well, yeah, I mean, you had people doing that regularly and getting away with it, um and to, to kind of still getting away with it to this day on any rug that's happening.
Speaker 7:I mean, look at all the coins that are out there that have been rugged as well. So it's, I don't know, it's. It's bizarre that if you're anonymous and you pull off the stunt of rugging, you get away with it scot-free almost. But if the same shit happened in in web 2, you're, the sec is getting called on you, the fbi is getting called on you, you're getting brought up on fraud charges and all that shit. But if they can't find you on web, if they can't find you on Web3, they can't find you and there's nothing they can do about it. So I don't know. I think there's more that needs to be done in the Web3 space. But the contagion stuff I feel like we are not doing enough to hold people accountable, because we have to. We have to hold people accountable for the shit that they're pulling and not let them get away with it yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 8:A little bit more contagion bias could do the web3 space good, I think yeah, to some degree yeah to some degree. Yeah, yeah, interesting, I like that conversation. That's uh, that's a really uh. I mean that it's not about Hitler's sweater. That chapter, I mean that's a brief little example that took the title of the chapter and everything. But that contagion bias can really really kind of creep into so many different categories than just like a piece of clothing.
Speaker 7:I got caught up on that categories than just like a piece of clothing I got, I got caught, but like, look how many people um kept giving some of these influencers who were dropping coins, just kept throwing money at them like 30 million dollars and or more, just kept tossing it basically down the drain and like here, take this money, here, take this money. And by the end of it they'd done it like two or three times, made a huge shitload of money off of it and fucked off. They're like I'm, I'm gone See you. Later I made 30 million. You know it's. It's not even so much that they, they made money and stole money.
Speaker 7:It was like on on one of the coins, one of the persons who pulled in like 40 million only put like 10 million down as liquidity. You're like but wait a second, you were given 40 million. What is that other 30 million doing where? Where did that go you? You should have 40 million in liquidity when that that token launches. If, if, that's what that 40 million was given to you for. It shouldn't be be half of it. It should. It shouldn't even be like in you, for it shouldn't be half of it. It shouldn't even be a quarter of it. You should have all of it down, essentially because that's what your throw-me-money sort of fundraising thing that you did on Twitter was for. So it becomes a bit of a slap in the face that here's this new token that's launching and literally as it launches, it has a fraction of the liquidity that was raised, fundraised, and it's already dead on arrival, basically.
Speaker 5:So I don't know.
Speaker 8:The reason people might stay quiet on stuff like that, I I wonder so often, is it. Is it simply due to the fact that in web three, you can block people and take their wallet off the list and like yo yeah, it's only 10 million, it's supposed to be 40 million, but do you want your little fraction of whatever you might get? At the end of the day, shut your mouth, stay quiet, otherwise I'll boot you out of the discord and your wallets off the west, like I mean, they do that and that's even more fraud.
Speaker 7:And you know, especially with some of these people who are um, and unless they refunded the money and did that, it's a different story. But uh, you can't really do that when you you've your name's tied to it and everything. Like I said, it's a sketchy situation. I think more accountability needs to be had with stuff like that, though.
Speaker 8:Yeah, I agree, I think so. It's a wild space and just a little bit of contagion bias and like people staying true to that. Because that's what, like people I don't know, I I definitely don't follow the timeline anymore, like I I have at different periods just out of curiosity, and you follow what's happening and it's just like, oh, this guy sucks the next day, like, yeah, that guy, that guy sucks, but like he's releasing a new token, let's give it a shot. Yeah, it's pure. Just like yeah, it's going to be a pump and dump, but that's what we're here for. Baby, I want to catch the top and, if not, give me something, feed me something, give me anything. I want, anything I want. I need to put them somewhere.
Speaker 8:Like it is such a slot machine behavior to where the slot machine that royally fucks you one day, you come back the next day because there's some fancy new sign on it that says like, yeah, we know we fucked you, but come give it a try and there's like a 75 chance of like, less fuckery this time. Oh, yeah, that sounds nice. It's like what? So people just keep tossing money back at these like ruggers, that and that's the play and that's what I.
Speaker 8:I saw like this last play this last season was like people were absolutely a-okay with pump and dumps and they were like loving it. And the minute that pump and dumps went away, they're like where are my fucking pumping? People love it. So I'm like really, uh, getting a kick out of even trying to think of like fixing the space, when a lot of the space really loves that. They love the, the risk, they love the 100x and they might lose it. But and who actually hits those? Like some random guy on the timeline and there's not, I don't know it's, it's like not even really backed by real success stories, even well, there's, there's a lot of especially that stuff.
Speaker 7:There's a lot of people who tie into, like the forecast illusion and false causality and like some of these other ones that we have, the, the, the winner's curse. We've talked about a lot of these ones and there's a lot of people who portray themselves as I'm an expert in this stuff. I've been doing it for years. Um, you know, follow my takes and you'll, you'll do stuff, and you know, I've tried to like watch some of these guys and follow some of the stuff that they do, and not actually play on it, but just follow what they're doing, and even one that I thought was supposed to be really knowledgeable. I've been doing this since 2012 and I'm very good at this stuff and I've made millions of dollars and blah, blah, blah. You watch the stuff and he's like I'm going to call the bottom here. Watch the stuff, and he's like I'm going to call the bottom here, I'm going to, I'm going to. You know, he buys his, his long at the at this price point and it goes down further.
Speaker 7:And you're like clearly, you don't know what you're talking about. If you like, if you thought that you were that good at what you do and you knew where the bottom was, but it went further down than where you thought the bottom was. At that point you have to acknowledge that you didn't know what the fuck you were talking about. But they don't. They just double down and be like oh you know, for some, for some unforeseen circumstance, it went down further, so I sold it and I got another position and whatever. And you're like that's just again you being not that good at what you claim to be good at. So people following you should really watch what they're doing, because they're gonna lose money. And you know. Then they post oh, I made a 200x. That's like yeah, after you already lost a shitload of money. Like where's the balance? How much are you actually? Are you, are you net positive? Are you even like?
Speaker 8:and that kind of plays in. Does that play into the next chapter, the? The averages, I think, is what comes next where. Take, for example, say, homie loses 49 trades in a row and he and he like lost a total of ten thousand dollars and then he took his 100. Or let's even make it outrageous one dollar. He has one dollar left and he 100 x's it and like I don't know, there's got to be some math where, like, they're definitely losing, but the one case and and maybe it does even like sound like out, you know, looking at averages it might even be a lovely, nice looking number, but you actually do the math on shit and people are posting their one win, ignoring the 49 losses. And where's the true math in there? And we should be careful not to be tricked by averages and stuff like that.
Speaker 7:That is, and this is where the problem with averages is. A flawed chapter, in my opinion, is he talks about how outliers bring the average down or change the, change the average. But in that instance the outlier is, especially if it's like you know, he loses 10 grand but somehow wins 1 million or 2 million. That's changing the average of how much that person's up or down. It's like no, his win loss ratio is still there. That average is still there. His one win sure, it might have been a big win and that's just pure luck, but that's not going to change the average that he's lost more than he's fucking gained. It makes that he's won more, essentially financially. But again, that winds up being a pure lucky thing that it went up that much, not not saying that that person knew what they were doing, because you know, 49 times out of 50, they lost on the things that they bet on.
Speaker 7:So I think that outliers, especially when we're talking about like averages across the board, when it comes to this stuff or when it comes to society in general, averages are supposed to be the middle ground and the outliers are meant to be not the tied into the averages. It's like we talk about average height. Well, average height is based off of how many people there are in society and we go OK, it's like five, seven, five, eights around average height, because that's where the majority of society falls into. But if you have someone that's like seven, two, that doesn't bring the average height up to that point, it's still like the majority of people are on five seven. That's seven two is not changing that average.
Speaker 7:Even though that's what he talks about here is he says that you know, the billionaire has changed the average on a bus. If the average person on the bus makes 57 or 54 000 a year, but bill gates is on that bus, the average income is now significantly higher. It's like no, because bill gates is an outlier on that bus, that doesn't necessarily mean the average income on the bus now gets increased by that amount. You still have an average income on that bus of $54,000 because that's where the majority of people on that bus are around.
Speaker 8:Do you think it's that people will manipulate this and they will knowingly be like okay, I do have an outlier here, but I'm going to include it in the data.
Speaker 7:Yes, 100%. And people do that all the time yeah.
Speaker 7:And I think that's one of the biggest problems with society in general is when you're looking at averages or you're looking at like we look at, average house costs in Canada right now is like $500,000, which I mean that's. I think it's like $5,000 was the last. I mean actually it's higher. But like I look at the houses in my area even the house that I'm in I bought. I got my house for like around 360 five years ago, six years ago, uh, and they're currently going for 699. So 700,000 right now it's like the this house isn't even worth that much in my opinion, and yet it is. So it's. The average house around here is going up.
Speaker 7:But you have to again like if we were to go to toronto and look at all of toronto. Toronto has the highest house prices in all of canada. It's absolutely crazy. Uh, I think vanc, think Vancouver is like close in second with it, but that's not indicative of the whole country. Those are two major cities where the prices are absolutely astronomical. So you got to look at like the entire country and they break it down into provinces and stuff like that.
Speaker 7:But like the average house cost in ontario is. I'd have to look this up, but I want to say it's like 600 something, 700 something, but that doesn't make the average house cost across the board higher. Like you go to toronto and the majority of the houses in toronto are over a million dollars, I'd say two million at at like a median area, um, and you're talking like townh million at like a median area, and you're talking like townhomes are like a million, a million, five, it's. It's fucking crazy. Anything under a million is, I would say, impossible, unless you're looking like even condos, I think, are around like 700, $800,000, if not more. And this is highly me talking out my ass, but you know, I've lived here long enough to know that that's roughly around what it is, um, so let me just look this up, that sounds like an incredibly difficult category to qualify for.
Speaker 8:Also, that that feels like the category of like where middle class should be, but god damn, that's a lot of money and who? Okay, you know.
Speaker 7:So so that I I feel like the middle class is getting so right now the average selling house, uh selling price of a home in canada increased by 0.7 percent year over year to $729,000 in March of 2024. The average selling price of a single family home in Canada increased by 1.1% year over year to $804,000. So the average house cost, just based off of Google and the national market summary right now is 804,000. Um and so that's obviously that's factoring places like, uh, Toronto and all that. But I mean, even in my area, a single family home like my townhouse that I'm in is not the average house in this area. The average house in this area is like a two-car garage, four-bedroom house sort of thing, and they're like a million two Like you can't find anything under that. Anything decent-wise is like around a million.
Speaker 7:So it's absolutely crazy right now where I am in our country and you look at, like me and dab were looking at houses comparatively and looking at kind of the, the cost of a house where he is versus a house where I am, and obviously we're talking like canadian dollars versus us dollars. But um, there was a, uh, there was like a two acre. No, it was a four, four acre property where he is that had nothing on it except for like a, a giant, uh metal shed, um, or a metal metal building that you could use as like a workshop or a uh some sort of um business. It looked like some people are living in them. It was.
Speaker 7:It was rather big. It wasn't tiny by any standpoint, but it was on four acres of land and I think what we saw was it was like 300,000 daps, something like that. Yeah, I was like it was like 289,000 or something stupid it was. It was not that expensive whatsoever for for four acres and then, literally like up the road for me, there's a two acre lot of land with nothing on it. It's literally just a vacant lot of land, and it was going for like 2.8 million.
Speaker 8:That's crazy, that's wild.
Speaker 7:Absolutely crazy and it was half the size of of what dap had. Now you convert the his, his, like us dollar price for for canadian and it goes from like 200 grand to like let's say, 350 or whatever, like, like it's. It's absolutely ridiculous the difference. And I mean sure he's in tennessee, but tennessee, even though it's like maybe bfn to some people, tennessee is a known place. Obviously there's a lot of stuff that goes through tennessee, so it's it's not like you're in fucking shit, kick nowhere. It's, it's still tennessee, like, especially around where he is. At least he's not that far from uh, like where, um, what is it? Jack daniels is made and and like all that stuff yeah, pretty close, like 15 minutes yeah, so it's.
Speaker 7:It's not like he's in the middle of nowhere when it comes to so, in my opinion, it doesn't make sense why the prices there are like fucking so low. Obviously your economy and everything is is slightly different, but you compare that to where I am and it's like that. It just makes no sense. Like it's, I don't know. I mean, if I were to go to windsor, ontario, which is you know across from detroit, at least a while ago, I don't know what it's like now the prices were astronomically different, but even they're creeping up now, um, and if you really want to get away from the high prices, you're looking at like manitoba, saskatchewan, which is literally buttfuck, nowhere, um, and you're not near any kind of major hubs or anything, and like I mean you could go to alberta and live in in like the middle of nowhere in alberta and that's still cheaper than here. But you're sacrificing kind of how close you are to any kind of central hubs. You're not getting any kind of how close you are to any kind of central hubs. You're not getting any kind of decent food or any kind of decent mail service or any of that stuff. A lot of those areas have shitty internet because the infrastructure is just not there. So I mean we're talking about averages here and I'm going a little off on a tangent, but I mean the prices are crazy off the board. We have to look at the outliers being the ones that in this chapter he's talking about, how the outliers change. The average reality of it is it doesn't. Because, again, if you had like a hundred people surveyed and 99 of them were again five foot seven and one of them was seven foot two, that doesn't bring the average up to six feet, it's still a five foot seven average, because the majority of the people were five seven or around five seven and the problem winds up being too, especially with some of these polls and some of these things, is it's on a small demographic. Usually it's not done on the whole populace, whereas if we were to literally take, especially when you have consensus data done, um, and they, they are supposedly it's supposed to have every person in the country on the data it doesn't, but they try to. If it did you would be able to pick out how many people were in these different averages. It's very interesting to see.
Speaker 7:We look at the. There's this big thing going around right now with a lot of these dating podcasts that are out there and they're talking to these, these women, who are completely delusional as to, um, the type of guy that they're. They want and they're like you know, I want a guy that's six, five and a six foot over six foot. I want them to be, uh, in good shape, I want them to make a hundred thousand to $300,000 a year, and then they find out that the, the percentage of people that fit that category is like 0.0001%. So you're literally delusional because you're never going to find that guy.
Speaker 7:And it's kind of a wake up call to some degree on these, these women that they they think that all these guys are out here making this insane money, but the reality of it is they're not. I mean, I think the average income right now is like $50,000 to $60,000 a person, and that's like a good income, a good average income, and that's like a good income, good average income. You want somebody who makes like over 100K and that's a very difficult thing to find in today's society. And, again, you're looking at like the under one percenters at that point, which is it's very, very sad to some degree. But yeah, I think this chapter is a flawed chapter because it doesn't really represent averages properly.
Speaker 8:I think it doesn't take into account like well, maybe that's the point is, maybe I'm like people will see the data, they'll notice the outlinelying factors. They'll notice that, won't they? And I guess, maybe was that the point of the chapter to like just be careful with data and just ask yourself, like what I don't know, maybe, maybe people just need to look at the data more because you can like outlying factors are glaringly obvious, and they should be, and it should. We should discount that in our equations. But I don't know, maybe we are as a, as a population, as a group, as as a you know, maybe we, maybe we do get tricked by this more, more than we think. I just feel like I'm, maybe, like I'm, maybe I I am overestimating my ability. Maybe I do get tricked by this, uh, more than I'd like to well, I mean the.
Speaker 7:The end of the chapter does say in conclusion if someone uses the word average, think twice. Try to work out the underlying distribution, as we've just been discussing here. Um, if a single anomaly or an outlier has almost no influence on the set, the concept is still worthwhile. However, when extreme cases dominate, such as the Bill Gates phenomenon, we should discount the term average. We should all take stock from novelist William Gibson the future is already here. It's just not very evenly distributed. Again, if you look at something that says average and it has somebody like bill gates tied to it and it brings the average up, negate that person out and figure out what the real average is. As far as I'm concerned, uh, one of the things that he like examples that he uses quite early on in the chapter is don't cross a river if it's, on average, four feet deep, warns nassim talib. Uh, from whom I have the above examples. Uh, the river can be very shallow mere inches for long stretches, but it might transform into a raging torrent that is 20 feet deep in the middle, in which case you could easily drown.
Speaker 7:Dealing in averages is a risky undertaking because they often mask the underlying distribution, the way the values stack up. Now I mean, granted, that's a great example. However, most people aren't just going to go to a random river and go like, where's the like, how deep is this river on average? They're going to find where the shallow parts are. They're going to find where the shallow parts are typically and usually, if you can't see the bottom or you can't, like most, most rivers that are in like populated areas are well documented of where the spots are to to be safe in. I mean, I grew up near river, like as a cottage river, and I could swim that river blind. I do it all the time because I know that river like the back of my hand and I'm not going to say, oh yeah, you can walk across here because, no, you can't walk across there. I know how deep it is, but yeah, like you're not going to tell someone, oh yeah, it's on average, it's pretty shallow. It's like, no, that's the stupidest thing ever, it's, I don't know. The other average that he talks about is the UV rays that you are exposed to. I mean, like, if you spend a lot of time out on a certain day, obviously you're exposed to more UV in that timeframe, but your average is.
Speaker 7:It's such a bizarre concept to have these conversations about averages when they're like I said, these outliers are completely destroying what is classified as the average and it's like no, but that's an outlier. And it's an outlier for a reason. Um, we're having major discrepancies in our current society where there are these outliers in society who are trying to dictate what the majority of people are have to do and have to say and uh, because they're a minority in our society, they're getting away with it because we want to make sure everyone feels included and whatever. But at the end of the day, the majority of people shouldn't be dictated by these outliers. The majority of people should be allowed to do things how they've done them for years. We just have to make things a little bit more inclusive in that sense, not cater to everybody's whims and wishes and change how society functions because of it. It's like things should stay with the status quo of what the average quote average person is out like there and not have to change everything in society to fit that small group's narrative, whatever that group is.
Speaker 7:It's when you start getting into that it starts upsetting a lot more than just like how they live their life. It's it's fucking up a lot of the balances that we've strived so much to achieve and it winds up not being inclusive. It it makes everything a lot more exclusive, because I want to be treated special, because I'm this, that or the other thing, um, whereas you're now taking the people that have lived their life completely fair and not bothering anyone, and now you're fucking them over and making them have to live their life to your standards, which again isn't fair because you want to be able to live your life. All because it's fucked up and I'm again going on a rant, but it's going back to the fact that averages are there for a reason and we're completely negating them with a lot of these outlying things that really shouldn't be playing on the averages in general these outlying things that really shouldn't be playing on the averages in general.
Speaker 8:Yeah, that was a good chapter for me to kind of throw up a few question marks for my own. You know, researching or decision making, researching or decision-making I I really uh pride myself, I guess, on being good at math and like noticing patterns and uh. But the more you look at life and even marketing and, uh, any anything really you've, you've got really savvy people out there that will prey on you utilizing these fallacies, and the more you look into marketing or advertising or any of that, like man, we are being bombarded with really subtle tricks and I think there are two types of people. I guess man, that's a fallacy in and of itself, like stating anything like that, probably. But like someone might read this book and say, okay, I'm gonna take this and learn how to make better decisions and care for myself and care for my future and care for those around me and and make good decisions. Someone else might read this and be like holy shit, this is a good human hack, uh, database it's like how way to fuck people over wicked?
Speaker 8:let's use this, yeah how to fuck people over and really I don't know. I think you should kind of look at this book from that angle, sometimes, obviously not trying to go down that road of really talented, creative, manipulative, savvy motherfuckers out there that use this on us all day long, every day, and I think you know. Then you start to cater to trends and statistics and algorithms will start to create their own biases and their own depending on the platform. And I get such a kick out of I don't understand the algorithms, but just the idea and talking about it and thinking about it and knowing that Elon is working on the algorithm and someone is at least, and they're making changes to it, and Instagram is over here doing this and TikTok is over here doing that. These codes and these algorithms are maybe not even on purpose, but but they will manipulate us as well. So it's I think it's really important to uh, just have our head on right and have it on a swivel and be aware of our surroundings. And yeah, that is a good little wise reminder there at the end.
Speaker 8:If someone uses the word average, think twice. I would use that advice for really anything Like. If someone says X, y, z, think twice If someone asks you this question think twice. I think we just should think a little bit more. The art of thinking clearly for that kind of uh, all-encompassing summary for the whole book, like think twice, like just hold up a second. And obviously our goal in a lot of what we're doing is to to think quicker and make decisions quicker and be more efficient and more uh productive and more this, more that and uh, in sports I'm just like you guys think think quick, like make those decisions quick, like know what you're going to do before you get the ball, have a plan six moves ahead, think chess. And it's like a lot of what I'm surrounding myself with, martial arts. It's like, man, you got to think quick, make decisions quickly. There's a whole part of me and my life that I strive for that and I'm gearing for that and in so doing, you don't think twice. You don't ask what is the average here? What are they trying to tell me? The average is here and just look at the numbers. I don't know. There's a fine line for me of thinking quickly, making the right choice, thinking twice, thinking too slow, like I know that pressure and I feel that and as like a dad, as everything, as a son, as a brother, as a coworker, as a business partner, like all the different hats, and thinking quickly, thinking on your toes versus making the right decision, thinking through it, slowing down, taking a little bit more time, so I don't know. There's a real skill set there, to the right balance.
Speaker 8:I think I do want to give you guys a heads up. I'm getting a rescue call from my wife. She's got these boys trying to get them ready for bedtime here and I'm getting text messages of please help. It's a good workout here. We've put ourselves in it. I'm going to probably try to wrap this up.
Speaker 8:I apologize for the schedule today, you guys, but yeah, we are aunt and uncle this weekend trying to do our best and handle our own kids and a couple new little balls of young energy that I thought we were done with this phase and here we are right back in the middle of it. Man, just a few years, you know, really makes a difference with with kids, and I I get, I rewind back to my kids at this age and it's like nah, it's true, like this, this little age, they just go, go, go, go go and they're the sweetest. I love them and they're so sweet and they're so funny and they're so kind, but it's a, it's like a marathon. My wife's feeling it up there right now. Uh, so I, uh, I will probably have to wrap up the space. I I wanted to make it through a couple more uh fallacies. I apologize, sparky, I got caught up on a couple of those. Those were, those were, fun to discuss. Those were a couple of more difficult ones for me.
Speaker 7:Yeah, um, I it's. It's interesting how easily you can get sucked into these and and um, even even when there's not that many people talking, you can still talk about them for forever because they, uh, they do. There's a lot of, there's a lot of stuff that they do tie into. It kind of needs to be discussed and needs to kind of go over things. I don't know, did Dab or Ryan have anything they wanted to say on the two that we covered?
Speaker 1:No, no comment. Ryan, have anything they want to say on the two that we covered.
Speaker 7:No, no comment. I think Daps uh dealing with his own stuff too. I mean I, I think the next two, um, I'm here, bastard. I'm here, bastard.
Speaker 5:I'm here. I proved you wrong Dealing with my own shit. How dare you?
Speaker 7:Dealing with the laser etching.
Speaker 5:Nah, so there was a lot of talk on hitler tonight yep I just have a couple facts that are fun somewhat.
Speaker 5:That relates to that somewhat all right yeah, so you know, out of it depends on the context, right, with that whole chapter, context is key. So, like you know, I'm about to say here that my mother-in-law has a Nazi flag and if I just leave it at that, there's so much assumption behind that, right? Yeah, yes, just like how it is within that chapter. So she does have one. But so Jacqueline's grandfather had just passed away.
Speaker 5:He fought over there and that was one of his spoils of war that he brought back. It actually has blood on it and everything and it almost looks like gauze that's been dyed and then like a T-shirt that was sewn to. It is almost how it's made from over there. It's just so interesting because, you know, to us when I say you know, my mother-in-law has a Nazi flag, you're like, oh my God, she must, you know, feel a certain way about people then. And then my grandfather's outlook on it was I went over there, I did what needed to be done, that he felt needed to be done, or what he was told to do, and he brought it back and he sees it as a piece of history and as a remembrance of what he was told to do and he brought it back and he sees it as a piece of history and as a remembrance of what he did and what he brought back so that he could remind us of what he did. So there's always two different ways to look at things.
Speaker 5:That, and then I also had an uncle. It was very funny. There's a picture of him. He was over in the Alps during World War II and there's a picture of him sitting in Hitler's lawn chair at one of his outposts there in the Alps. Just a fun little fact.
Speaker 8:Dang, that's crazy. I think that's a great example. You really sometimes do need the context, because that contagion can be so strong that it's just like it's a trigger and I think it's okay that those are there, right, like there should be some contagion around some characters in history. I believe, and it should. I don't know again, I'm not, I'm like, the least superstitious person, but like I, I like the idea of some superstitions just for human practice, of being better humans, and I don't know that that's a that's a interesting one to think about, because it's like I, I'm okay with that that like hold up, like wait, hold up, hold up, your grandma has a nazi flag.
Speaker 8:I gotta know what's this about, you know, because it it does like that contagion is so strong that it's like, yep, you're right. It does make me question like, okay, what does okay, what does that mean? What does that mean? But then you put it in that light and it's like, hell, yeah, if I went to war and I came back, it's like I fought for this and it's a completely different meaning. You're not bringing it back to celebrate, you're celebrating the victory over those guys. So, yeah, I think that's an interesting example.
Speaker 7:Agreed.
Speaker 8:Well, my friends, I do need to. I'm currently feeding the guinea pig. I'm trying to get ahead on a few of these tasks. I can hear in the background If I take my phone closer to the door you can hear the chaos happening in the bathroom next door trying to get these kids to the showers. So I'm going to wrap things up tonight.
Speaker 8:I want to tell you guys thanks up tonight. I want to tell you guys thanks Anyone that is listening and has come through tonight. We have just a nice little small, intimate crowd tonight and I want to say thank you to everyone. Anyone that's listening, hop over into the Discord and let me know in a support ticket Say hey, I was in the space. I heard you talk about the five bucks. I'll give you five bucks for being here tonight. No draw, no VIP listener, just anyone that was here. I I heard you talk about the five bucks. I'll give you five bucks for being here tonight. No draw, no, no vip listener, just anyone knows here. I'll give you five bucks. So just hop in a support ticket in the discord and I'm I'm happy to uh say thank you for coming through tonight. I messed up the schedule.
Speaker 8:I'm on chaos mode right now with babysitting little little nephews. So I appreciate you guys' patience with me as the dorky dad and I guess now uncle that I am and allowing to get in the way. And you guys, I wish you could see my little guinea pig here. His name is Pip. He's one of my favorite little friends in my whole universe. I never thought I'd be in love with a guinea pig like I am. In my whole universe I never thought I'd be in love with a guinea pig like I am. And he's just here waiting for his food. He's letting me pet his cute little haircut on top of his head. He's got that classic. Whenever they make a cartoon out of a guinea pig, they've got that funny part in their hair. He's hilarious, he cracks me up. So thank you guys for coming through tonight.
Speaker 8:Sparky, I'd love any kind of outro. Whether you have some music or not, I'd love to have you do the outro. And just know you guys, I'm dealing with a little bit of awesome chaos. I'm not complaining in any way, shape or form, I'm. I'm just realizing the intensity of the, the volume. Right now it's getting turned up and my wife needs some help. I appreciate you guys. Sparky, I'll let you wrap things up, my friend.
Speaker 7:Thank you so much well, unfortunately we only got through two today. Um, hopefully we can try and tackle some more. Uh, I didn't get to do my own space yesterday. My son was uh, or not my son my wife was out of town, so I was on dad duty myself this weekend, um, so I didn't run my space that I would usually run, and even we talked about being tired. I was tired myself this weekend. I went to bed around nine o'clock last night, which is fucking bizarre for me, so I didn't even get to touch on the ones that I wanted to touch on, which I think I left off around like chapter six or seven, um, but, uh, yeah, this uh very short sort of space tonight. Um, hopefully next week we can touch on some more, but for now I apologize if I play a song that I've already played, because it's hard to remember with some of these ones that I've played of Tom McDonald's.
Speaker 7:But just going to play another one here, scrolling through this right now. But just going to play another one here Scrolling through this right now. We're going to play no Lives Matter. Let's see what that one's like. For me it's the aroma. We've got an ad.
Speaker 6:My bad, we'll wait an ad my bad, we'll wait till the ad's over.
Speaker 7:Stop paying for Spotify, stop paying for a lot of stuff myself.
Speaker 3:But yeah, that's a different story. Get attacked. If you don't hate police, then everybody thinks you're white and everything's so connected. Black Lives Matter got so aggressive. White folks who agree can't support the message. Both sides go to war because they don't respect it. Our social climate, from the global tension turned to total violence and a whole depression. We can unify and then I'll go against them, but we let them divide us with votes and elections. Hey, the music we bump All about shooting guns and doing drugs. Hey, whoa, the things that we want are promoted subliminally through the songs Like you need a fast car, you need designer clothes. You need a rap star to tell you to start popping pills, set the blunt and go live with the club till you're broke. It's all controlled by the elites. Put fake news all over our screens Convincing the right to go fight with the left and distract from the fact that each other we need that. We need, uh, divided by race and religion, segregated into teams uh, you're a white supremacist. If you're not, I guess you're Antifa.
Speaker 4:Screaming from the rooftops. Beat down better. Turn us on each other now, no lives matter. If we do what the news wants, blood gon' splatter. Turn us on each other till no lives matter.
Speaker 3:Freedom's dead. If you have an opinion, take it back. People hate the president. If you don't, then you trash, Indoctrinate the nation using news and mainstream raps. The government abuses us. It's all part of the plan and it's so confusing. Black Lives Matter's a valuable movement, but all lives matter ain't racist or stupid. It's non-black humans who don't feel included. All colors fall under laws that govern the whole country and we all suffer. We're all broke and nobody recovers until we accept that we're all brothers. Hey, the music we make is all about big booties and getting paid. Hey, whoa. We watch the news and it fills up our brains with violence and riots and race.
Speaker 4:Like. This is a race war, We'll be right back and the children, the viruses, riots and racist conditions ain't problems. They're symptoms of life in the system. Screaming from the rooftops beat down, batter. Turn us on each other now, no lives matter. If we do what the news wants, blood gon' splatter. Turn us on each other till no lives matter.
Speaker 3:The music will make you dumb, the makes you hate, and they control them both. There ain't no escape. They put the world in a state of chaos, economy crashing into massive layoffs. Black against white, or it's left versus right.
Speaker 4:Divide and conquer and control is the payoff. Screaming from the rooftops Beat down batter. Turn us on each other now. No lives matter. If we do what the news wants, Blood gon' splatter. Turn us on each other now. No lives matter. If we do what the news wants, blood gon' splatter. Turn us on each other till no lives matter.
Speaker 7:That was no Lives Matter by Tom McDonald. Again, think critically when you think about that song and listen to those lyrics. Clearly it's meant to provoke some sort of discussion about what he's trying to say, but this has been Bamboo Book Time with us and hopefully you got something out of it. Have a good rest of your weekend and let's start off the week with a good week.