Wake up with us as we shake up your morning routines and bring the heat of Logic's "Keanu Reeves" to our energized early bird book club discussion. Can you handle the truth without the sugar coating? Join us as we dissect "The Art of Thinking Clearly" and challenge our perspectives on success, risk-taking, and the logical fallacies that shape our lives. Special guest Edward Martin joins in, adding layers of insight as we navigate our digital existence with a critical eye.
This episode is not just for bookworms; it's for life enthusiasts who dare to question the 'YOLO' mentality and are unafraid to confront realities that could redefine their future. From cautionary tales to heartening stories of personal evolution, we're unpacking it all. Plus, we celebrate one of our own, a cherished author from our community, whose forthcoming thriller "Silent" has us on the edge of our seats. We're not just discussing chapters here; we're crafting life strategies and sharing the infectious 'Panamania' spirit that propels us forward.
As the sun rises, so does our anticipation for what's to come. Our conversation runs deep, from setting a thoughtful pace for our book exploration to contemplating the balance of embracing life without falling prey to regret. We're crafting a blueprint for the thinkers, the dreamers, and the doers. So stretch, grab your favorite morning brew, and let's get this conversation started. Because here, every moment is an opportunity to learn, laugh, and leap into the world with eyes wide open.
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Wake up with us as we shake up your morning routines and bring the heat of Logic's "Keanu Reeves" to our energized early bird book club discussion. Can you handle the truth without the sugar coating? Join us as we dissect "The Art of Thinking Clearly" and challenge our perspectives on success, risk-taking, and the logical fallacies that shape our lives. Special guest Edward Martin joins in, adding layers of insight as we navigate our digital existence with a critical eye.
This episode is not just for bookworms; it's for life enthusiasts who dare to question the 'YOLO' mentality and are unafraid to confront realities that could redefine their future. From cautionary tales to heartening stories of personal evolution, we're unpacking it all. Plus, we celebrate one of our own, a cherished author from our community, whose forthcoming thriller "Silent" has us on the edge of our seats. We're not just discussing chapters here; we're crafting life strategies and sharing the infectious 'Panamania' spirit that propels us forward.
As the sun rises, so does our anticipation for what's to come. Our conversation runs deep, from setting a thoughtful pace for our book exploration to contemplating the balance of embracing life without falling prey to regret. We're crafting a blueprint for the thinkers, the dreamers, and the doers. So stretch, grab your favorite morning brew, and let's get this conversation started. Because here, every moment is an opportunity to learn, laugh, and leap into the world with eyes wide open.
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you, you, you, you. Oh boy, I'm excited for this book. You guys are joining up early with us. This is exciting. I'm gonna get a little music playing, see if we can't get a few more participants Joining us for this early version of book club. And if it's just a few of us, hey, that's okay too, and that that means the $10 is easier to grab. Hey, I've got. I Can't think of a perfect song, so I'm going easy on myself here. We're doing logical Thinking, so I'm just going straight to the man logic himself, and one of my favorite songs of his is Keanu Reeves, so let's go.
Speaker 2:Mo, very dirt, wrote a whole movie that I sold that joint. Fuck Illuminati, that boy. 6 got my back. 6. Make this beat. 6, bring the heat. You got unrepeat Word on the street can't no one compete.
Speaker 2:I'm spectacular. That boy got the sauce on the regular. I don't play no games that's what you talk about like Folly. Know, I'm literacy. Another red light when the soccer moms pull up and they fail while I ride like, oh my god, children, it's the one 800 guy, but my door's suicide. Yeah, I'm too alive, bitch. I have arrived.
Speaker 2:Everybody know I'm one hell of a guy. I ain't tryna fuck your girl, I'm tryna fuck your mama. Fuck the drama bank account got an extra comma. Yeah, they sweat me like the sauna red carpet in my own merch, like that shit is designer. Did you know? I'm mixed like Obama.
Speaker 2:It ain't a project if logic ain't talk about being biracial by coastal. I'm platinum, go postal. I'm snapping. Yeah, you know Bobby, but probably only know my new shit, that trap shit, that cool shit. But they all know that full spit, I'm the one bitch, I'm the one, like he got new reeds. Get it done, yeah, get it done. No blood on the leaves. They can't even sing it. No, no, no, no, no more. Best be leaves. Yeah, that shit is banging. Bobby Q do it. Look from the green. I'm the one bitch, I'm the one like he got new reeds. Get it done. Yeah, get it done. No blood on the leaves. They can't even sing it. No, no, no, no more. Best be leaves. Yeah, that shit is banging. Bobby Q do it. Look from the green. Yeah, you know, you made it. When they make a meme for ya haters that never made it.
Speaker 2:I'm livin' the dream for ya. Roll up, grab the quistin' and roll up, hold up better. Give me what I wanna wanna show up. You know what I do now. Who comin' close? I'm not you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. They all cool.
Speaker 2:I don't fuck with nobody like me girls in high school. I don't give a damn that. I'm famous. Why I stand like every single celebrity stainless. It's dangerous. Got 50 million from my swag on food stamps. All these bottles, fucking bottles, bitch. They ain't tryna dance.
Speaker 2:She say no, I don't wanna pay to my bills. I need a hard working woman with respect who will just for everybody who ain't made it yet, got five degrees and six figures and debt. Fuck all your trains, hoe. Fuck all your, fuck all your uh somebody call it your uh, it's destiny, hold up with the time. I fuck a second man who tested me. I got so much power, don't know why. The heavens blessin' me, plp, I think that is the recipe. So I'mma take a moment, use my power for good, fuck the bullshit, you and your love, and get out the hood.
Speaker 2:I'm the blonde, they say. I'm the one like he got new reeds. Get it done. Get it done. No blood on the leaves. They can't even sing it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no best be you. Yeah, that shit is banging, probably cute, with no time to dream. I'm the blonde, they say. I'm the one, like he got no reeds. Get it done, yeah, get it done. No blood on the leaves. They can't even sing it. No, no, no, no, no, no, best be you. Yeah, that shit is banging. Probably cute, with no time to dream, ain't, let's go.
Speaker 1:New book, new book time. Had to drop some logic. We're talking about logical thinking. My dogs are getting excited in the background. What's going on, you guys? It's the afternoon, there's action in the cul-de-sac. It's a different feeling. Hop it on to a book time, not at night time, you guys, dap, wouldn't you agree, ryan? Is this a little different?
Speaker 1:how you guys feeling about this the sun's up damn, it's definitely this is definitely a new feeling and I want to apologize if this is messing with anybody. This is probably the best, exciting, most exhilarating time as a dad in my life, coaching all my kids at the same time, but I've really wrapped myself up into a schedule. So I wanted to first of all, thank you guys for showing up. This is exciting if we got just a few of us. I apologize to anyone that can't make it at this time, but this is what it's going to be probably looking like for me for the next few weeks this book, at least Wednesdays at this time, and as many of you that can join us at this time. It'll really be great. This book club obviously we want as many people to join in as possible and we have some favorites that are just regular that come through and I don't want to lose anybody and I really hesitated to put out the space time for this. I tried everything. I even tried reworking the soccer schedule, but man, it's just going to be a bit of a tight schedule here the next few weeks. So I appreciate you guys and, at the end of the day, the book club is amazing and I don't ever want to say, oh, we're just promoting the perk. That's not what I ever want to like. I don't want that to be the mission that we're just trying to. At the end of the day, the book club is those that care about it and I love it and it's been a great way to unwind when we've done it at the end of those days.
Speaker 1:Already I'm feeling a little bit of a different vibe. Like Dap said, the sun is out. I'm in the middle of wrapping up my business meetings for the day. I wasn't checking who was on Jeff's B-Moto meeting on the Facebook but I just hopped off that. I'm super psyched on business. I'm in that mental mode at this time of the day. It's kind of interesting to see how just my energy is and how your guys' energy is in thought processing.
Speaker 1:And maybe I'm taking it too far because we're reading a book about the art of thinking clearly and already we're presented with logical fallacies and I'm excited. I did not think that was like what this is. Every chapter is a new logical fallacy and we're getting into it. I'm really excited that right off the bat he's talking about money and that was kind of where the birth of this book that we're starting came from. Was I wanted to like point out the stupid mistakes people make with gambling trading and already I was like whoa, I didn't see that coming. The first intro and first chapter already is more relevant to what we were voting on with the different books. Like this already has a hint of financial literacy kind of baked into it. So those are just my pre-thoughts. A little bit of business I wanted to take care of. But Dap Ryan Breezy's up on stage. Welcome, breezy, how you guys doing. I just want to catch up with you guys, dap, how you doing. Have you been able to get the reading done? Also, if you guys can, let me know.
Speaker 5:How much were we supposed to?
Speaker 1:do. I read chapters one, two and three. So I kind of just stopped there because I said let's at least read the first chapter. So I figured we could kind of just discuss the intro and the first chapter and then collectively decide how many we want to read, because these definitely go quick.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm on, I think, 17.
Speaker 1:Nice, okay, yes, maybe you've set the pace already.
Speaker 3:It does go quick. It's like an hour into the audiobook. So yeah, it's a seven hour long audiobook. It's pretty long, but yeah, it's so some of the reviews that I read about this book there were some one-stars on there that people thought it was too depressing.
Speaker 1:Ooh, I can already see that the first chapter basically squashes any dream you should ever have and tells you to just dance.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, it's definitely not for the faint-hearted people that are like oh, I don't want to read this.
Speaker 3:It's too depressing. Or they feel like a loser. I could see someone totally getting beat down from just reading this because they're people that have personalities that are the complete opposite of the tone of the book, and I mean this book, I don't think is so much about critical thinking, it's more about examples, and I think it has. I think it should really be classified, if it's not already. I mean, I didn't look at the classification, but I think it should be classified as a psychology book for sure.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's already. I was taken aback, I guess, by it's straight logical fallacies. Every chapter is a different logical fallacy, so like it should just be called logical fallacies, but I do see also psychology what you're saying. He's not really giving you an ABC of how to be happy. He's like here are some deep thoughts to make you think about how to not be so unhappy. It's a really weird take. Give me your thoughts on that.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean later on, like the one I was listening to in the truck today, was it's one of the ones in the teens, but it was saying something you know it brought the word placebo, that is. You know she used psychology a lot. You know the placebo effect and then it's almost like there's all these just definitions for different thinking patterns and then it shows the example of what that is is how it's doing it. It's almost like the adult version of Mother Goose.
Speaker 1:It's very much like again, I'm not as far into it as you are. I feel like I'm definitely sitting down with like a scientist type, a very like yeah backs. I don't know I need to get into it more, but I'm already.
Speaker 1:I guess I kind of am aware of it right off the bat. Like ooh, I'm dealing with an intellectual scientific type. He's a business guy. Like. He's using big words. He's already pushing the boundaries of like. Here's my question is he pushing the boundaries on purpose? Do you think he is leaning into? Because it's like really the first chapter? He even places what the first chapter go to graveyards, visit cemeteries, like crush it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, alright. So when I first heard that shit I was like, okay, so where are we going with that? And then you know it's just the graveyard of your thoughts. It wasn't like literally go out there and visit graveyards, which I thought it was totally going to be. I was like, oh, I should go see my dead relatives. Like you know, there's no, I didn't have anything to do with that, basically.
Speaker 3:And then it tells about keeping a journal. You know, keep a journal. That way you have something to wage, whether or not you were right or not. And then it gets really mathematically depressing further on, because it goes off like the law of averages and stuff, and that they had, like I don't know, like a million monkeys, trade in the stock market and just hit random stuff and there's always this median and then at some point you know there's going to be 50% of the 50% and the other 50% are cut out and everything, and then you're left with a thousand monkeys and then they go do the same thing again and then you end up with one monkey at the end that made every trade perfect and then he's a billionaire. Essentially is what happens.
Speaker 3:And the thing is, is that if the media were to get involved with that, they would go oh my gosh, we need to go look at this monkey and see what all of his methods were. Was a thought patterns? Did he eat a certain type of banana? Blah, blah, blah, blah and everything. And then we end up blowing that up proportion and we study it instead of just, you know, looking at it for what it was.
Speaker 3:And it was just. He was the one that happened to correctly guess it the whole time. There was no thought pattern, it was completely random. And this talks about how, whenever people shoot crabs and gambling, that whenever they want to roll a high number, they shake the dice really hard and throw it with a lot of force because they get a sense of feeling that that's going to make the number higher, and if they want the lower number, then they just barely cut the dice and just try and let it fall dantly. It's the same thing as whenever you're watching your favorite sports team at home that you feel like you're able to sway the way of it going by yelling and screaming and jumping in front of the TV, but it does nothing, so it goes into a lot of that.
Speaker 1:I love it. I love it. You're starting to face off on some great thoughts. I'm excited to get your thoughts on this book. Let me check in with these other guys here up on stage and we'll get back to book business. I'm really happy that you're already ahead because you can kind of have a better read on oh, my dog's chewing something. You can have a better read on the vibe, because it's definitely a different vibe. I'm excited about, maybe, the discussion that it might provoke. Maybe it might provoke, like man, this is almost semi-glass, half empty. Is this healthy to think like this? And he even in a couple spots talks about like there are some fallacies that are even good for you. I don't know. I'm really curious and everything. So I am excited to get into the book, but I want to check in here with everyone. Go ahead, dap.
Speaker 3:So one thing, since he's here now Sparky, this book is like the embodiment of that song that you played about sunscreen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm excited. So, Ryan, how are you, my friend? Are you into the book at all yet? Uh-oh, we can't hear you. My friend, the sunshine, the sunshine is out today. It must be too strong, it's.
Speaker 4:I can't hear you yeah, now we can Ryan get out of the fish tank? It was the Bluetooth. Your phones weren't coming through, I guess, so I'll just switch to the audio here. Now things are going good.
Speaker 4:I enjoyed an afternoon here. We were coloring a picture with the Aries and doing some coloring drawn stick pictures, Just hanging out with them about ready to go get the other kid from school, and I have not got the book in and I need to go order that. But I could get in and get the audio book. So that's what I'm going to go for. That'd be a lot easier for me that way, because I'm going to be doing a lot of running around during these hours and whatnot, and I'll make it a lot easier for me to do it that way, which I've been joining with the audio books as well. But there's nothing like having the physical edition. But yeah, this was a good time. This was right in the middle of the afternoon. I'm curious how my service will do when I go get my son. So we'll test that in the waters. I think I'll make sure to keep my headphone charged. I think it's dead. But yeah, anyhow, I'll let you respond and pass it on.
Speaker 1:Awesome, bro, I'm excited for you to read this one also because we always need, you know, I feel like we've got different personalities giving takes on these books and you've got that big old heart of yours that I love to add that to the equation of reading through this stuff. And this one is harsh, bro. It really right off the bat already it's a different take on life and they're just like straight logical fallacies and like statistics of failure and like get your brain thinking more realistically. So I'd love to have all of our different takes and personalities kind of fill this one out, because already I loved hearing DAPS, immediate takes, and we'll get more into it. And great to have you here, ryan, thanks for being here. And yeah, we're all kind of running around with kids and things to do this season. So, as you can hear, I've got the whole family here on Spring Break. We're trying to maintain volumes. Oh, you're on Spring Break right now. Spring Break as well, yeah, so it's crazy town.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it starts nice with you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's that time of year the sun's out, everyone's getting more energy, a little more rambunctious. So, yeah, I'm riding all the different energies and I appreciate you guys being here and I didn't get to apologize to everyone. A few more people have joined. Thank you so much for dealing with the busy schedule and trying out a new time and we'll make it work. This is awesome. Breezy is here. Thanks for being here, my friend. How are you? Hopefully we can catch Breezy sometimes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we got you here. I'm excited to hear your takes on some of this. We'll have to make sure we get you the book because I need the young hip generations take on things sometimes and we know Breezy's the coolest and the hippest of them all, and so I want to make sure you're reading along, breezy. Have you had a chance to check out the book or what it's about at all?
Speaker 6:Yeah, maybe if I could get the link to the ebook I could figure it out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's figure it out, bro. I know in different countries like CA, she had to find it on a different website, so let's make it happen and get you the audiobook or whatever. It would be awesome to get everyone's thoughts on this one. I'm excited about this one. But yeah, breezy, great to have you with us. Bro, how are things for you? That's good to hear You're coming through a little quiet. I don't know if you're dealing with a Bluetooth issue also.
Speaker 4:No, no, no, no, I'm just on the move.
Speaker 1:On the move, all right. Well, great to have you and Sparky's here with us as well. I know I'm probably right in the middle of some dinner times, so awesome to see you hop in here. Sparky, thanks for joining us. How are you doing, and have you had a chance to crack open this book at all yet? We might be in some busy action on everyone's agendas. I'll take participation when we can, and I'm sure Sparky will be able to hop into the conversation here. I'm excited to hear what he has to say about this Daph. What do you think Sparky's take is going to be on this book?
Speaker 3:Hmm, I think it's realistic expectations sort of thing, to not overexcede your expectations sort of deal. Probably Kind of. I guess it's a way of diluting our Rich Dad, Poor Dad book and bring us back down to Earth a little bit. But I still like the amount of motivation that the other thing gave me.
Speaker 1:Okay, so let's get into that. After reading a few chapters you kind of probably have a pretty good idea of where it's going, the vibe, the feeling, everything, his intentions maybe You're getting a little bit of a grasp on. Are there any sides, are there any things that have motivated you or inspired you yet, or is everything kind of bringing you down to reality so far? For me that's the vibe so far is like get a grip on reality. There's not a lot of like you can do this yet so far.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So the book hasn't really said anything about like don't take risks, but it's more so being about you know, have realistic expectations and don't get. You know, don't feed into. I get this kind of like don't feed into the types of dealing stuff. Just remember that you know to not get carried away with stuff.
Speaker 3:I could see that being something, but a lot of it is psychological stuff that you may be doing that you don't really notice, and I mean it kind of defines what some of those things are like. He gives actual terminologies for those things which I mean. To me it doesn't make that big of a difference hearing that like I could care less what something's called when I do it. I like to know that you know the reasoning behind it happening. More so because then you're able to, you know, identify what could be triggering it, or you know different ways of doing things. I did like how it brought up trading, because that is something that I do dabble in and I would like to get more into. But I've noticed that it brings in.
Speaker 3:One of the examples was people. Oh man, what was it? People? I don't remember where it's going. Sorry, my daughter was yelling in the background. I don't know if you guys can hear that she's crying and now I've lost my thought on what it was. Sorry I was while he gathers his thoughts and figures out what he was trying to say. I was getting pizza in the pizza store when you called on me and I've got a four year old in the background yelling and asking questions and on the stop.
Speaker 3:So kind of hard for me to talk right now as I'm just driving home. But I've kind of read a bit of the book, not a lot like maybe the first two pages or so, but I don't know. I think any book that is going to talk about different methods of thinking and that stuff, I think it's going to be good for us in general. I'm not sure if this one really is. Again, I haven't really dived into it but I'm not sure if it's really about critical thinking per se or if it's just kind of lumped in with a better method of thinking or a different way of thinking. So it'll be interesting to see where we go with it. I wasn't sure if today's space is going to be about reading specific chapters or if we're just talking about what we're doing with this book in general. So I didn't really dive too much into it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sparky, that's great you bring that up. It was actually surprising to me as I cracked into the book that it is more of a list of logical fallacies, and I was actually surprisingly happy about that. I was like, ooh, I've wanted to do a deep dive into logical fallacies for a long time. I don't know if any of you have seen those gifts or memes or little images detailing maybe six or eight or 12 different logical fallacies with a little icon next to it, and it's like get to know these logical fallacies. I mean, maybe I fell into the algorithm of logical fallacies somewhere along the way, but I get presented with logical fallacies and maybe because I make a shit ton of them and the algorithm knows that. I don't know, but I wanted to dive into this stuff and I think in understanding logical fallacies, you will become a better critical thinker.
Speaker 1:I do think, though Dapp's original comments about it, you know it could bring people down. I think that's absolutely the maybe healthy side of logical thinking presenting it to someone that does have trouble with reality based thinking. I don't know. Maybe a come down might be nice for some people and maybe it's needed and it might be scary and hard and traumatic for some people and their dreams might get crushed. But I don't know. We've had these discussions before where, you know, it's like the American Idol discussion. It's like some people just Sparky tells this so well, but they'll go on and they just need some better friends that tell them a little bit of honesty. They'll save themselves from some ridicule but at the same time, maybe people don't need to live a life of approval of others and their voice, as good or bad as it might be, that might just make them happy letting their voice be heard. And so really, at the end of the day, I think this is exciting to me, this tone and style of book, because we have been dabbling in self-help which, if I'm being honest, this guy is already making me question if he has some upsells because he's got a website, he's a marketer, he needs to make money, like all of us. So I'm wondering what kind of upsells are going to happen out of this.
Speaker 1:But I am excited for a little break from the Hoorah pep rally type and kind of sitting down with a scientist type, a psychological type, and I think this is a safe book for us as a book club to read, because we have read the opposite of the spectrum of Hoorah, and you can do it and the glasses have fall and make your mind become a powerful thing, and it can do transformations.
Speaker 1:And this guy, already off the bat, is just like the statistics say you probably won't make it. And it's like as a book club, I think a lot of us will probably find happy mediums in the middle, because, like Dap said and I'm going to turn the time over to you here, dap, I agree, I like the Hoorah and I like the motivation, I like having belief, I like taking statistics and saying let's try, but I do like having the statistics though. So that's where this book, I think, is exciting to know what I'm up against, because that's kind of the first chapter. Is yo, are you aware of how hard it is to actually become successful? And it's like I think people need to hear that so that then they can determine like, okay, I'm ready, or I'm not ready, because I think a lot of people do go into business or relationships or whatever it may, be just not aware of the statistics, and they'll be completely surprised and it can wreck things. So, dap, go ahead, my friend.
Speaker 3:I remember what the one thing was. There's one part in there where he talks about in trading. The example was another guy saying oh, have you seen this stock? It's 50% lower than where it used to be. It's like getting it 50% off. And then the guy is like no, it's not. The price is what it is. Because it is what it is, knowing whether or not it's going to go up and down from this point. So people put that into their mind, you know. And then a lot of this talks about a lot about like justification, Like a lot of times you'll talk yourself into something like you made a bad decision and then your coping mechanism is to come up with reasonings to just continue to make it seem like what you had to do, what you had to do, sort of thing. There's a lot of that, but I do like that. This is something that brings us back down to earth, because for me, I'm actually going to use it as a benchmark to show like, okay, here's ground level, If I'm doing okay, it's above what this book sang.
Speaker 1:There is some comfort in being told yo, it's really hard to be successful. I don't know that that's comforting. That's not me saying I don't want to be successful and it's like, oh, what a great cop out. Maybe I won't succeed, so why try it?
Speaker 3:Yeah, and you need something to compare it to so you know where you are as well. Did you read a part in there at all that talked about like how, when people are successful, that they just kind of brush it off because they don't actually see how hard it actually was to get where they are, because it's in the moment?
Speaker 1:And yeah, I think there's actually like oh man, I had like a really good train of thought. I was on with something Elon Musk said the other day about how fame is only as good as it is Until it's useful to you. You know, like going in and getting a spot at a fancy restaurant because you have connections, and then you come out and you have to deal with three hours of paparazzi and it's like there's all sorts of levels of like people's happiness and what they're comparing it to and what they want and what they're surprised with and what they're constantly seeking and can never find. And that was a really interesting thought of like you know, maybe fame can start to be detrimental, especially if you have like your 15 seconds and then all of a sudden, you know it turns on you somehow and I don't know. There's really interesting takes on the upside and the downside at shit. Now I'm connecting too many dots from and I forgot where I was going with that. What did? What were you saying? I feel like an idiot now. That's, that's the tangents.
Speaker 3:I go on and it talks about how, like, top level CEOs and stuff like that were able to get where they were by, you know, doing what they did to get there. But then, when they're actually there, they're not able to really go back and look at, you know, the statistics or the struggle or the experiences that got on there being in the present of it, this kind of brush it off. As you know, I am where I am because it's in the moment. I think that is the way for a lot of people to, you know, even marginally successful Sometimes.
Speaker 3:Sometimes you run into the issue where Recognition of how hard it was because it wasn't hard for some of them like how many CEOs do you know they just walked into the position almost and didn't have to struggle.
Speaker 3:Like you know, elon Musk had to build himself up to the where, where he is in position, he's in here to build the companies and stuff like that, or like the Steve Jobs. But then the people who come after Steve Jobs, some of them are like they were given the position because they knew somebody who knew somebody. They didn't necessarily have to really work for it. In essence, they didn't have to build the business from scratch and that's what they, so they got it almost by default in some instances. So they're not really looking at it from a realistic point of view. They're like, yeah, it wasn't that hard, but the reality of it is is like becoming a millionaire, becoming a billionaire, becoming successful in any ways. It's very difficult and we see that on a day to day basis, especially with how, how, how much we all struggle and how expensive everything is and how.
Speaker 3:You know, there's businesses out there that have been around for like 30 or 40 years and something as as and I don't want to, I don't want to minimize what the what the pandemic was, but something as small as a pandemic can shut some, some of these companies down that have been around for 30 or 40 years. But even not the pandemic. Something like look how many car companies have shut down over the years that we've seen that were there forever, like Saturn. Nobody, nobody even talks about Saturn or cars. That company was around for eons. So people, people don't realize. Like, if these things can shut down and go, go bankrupt and whatever, it's very difficult for us as a new individual to become successful in that same environment, in that same thought process that's good, that's good thinking and that actually reminded me where I was headed with my, my tangents.
Speaker 1:You know, having a success story can kind of blind some people your, your, what you were saying, dap with how they don't really recognize it in the moment. Someone might have a stroke of luck and they might think that their attributes, their qualities, their time, their effort, everything was the perfect concoction for their success. And it was them. And yes, it was them, but like under all those circumstances that they were in at that moment and it hit under the monkey and then they were the monkey yes, exactly like you were saying.
Speaker 1:And then they, they have this blind idea of like anything I touch a work and you see success stories where they hit it big and then the next project they work on just falls to shit and they lose everything they they had from the first success anyways. Or, you know, whatever the case might be, they a friend comes to them and they're like oh, I need some help with the business. And they're like, oh well, I'm successful, look what I did, I'll put money in. And like I just the the. The whole idea of blinding yourself with. With a little bit of luck, I think this is good for even successful people to take a look at and be like, hmm, okay, maybe, maybe that's right, maybe I need to need to be a little more careful.
Speaker 1:And the idea of like the first chapter being called what is it exactly why you should visit cemeteries. You know it is actually a little relevant to a funny thing my dad used to do when I was in high school. My buddies and I we would just throw ourselves. Sorry, I'm losing my voice. We would throw ourselves off cliffs and jumps on our skis and do all sorts of twists and turns and flips and we got a kick out of recording it and sharing it with friends and showing off and telling people how crazy we were when we loved it and we were a little little daredevils and adrenaline junkies and my dad would consistently clip out newspaper articles of people getting hurt and becoming paraplegics and quadriplegics. He even went as far as taking me to the hospital and forcing ER like awkward visits to the hospital to show me like people get hurt Lane. Like you are not invincible and I I it didn't even dawn on me that whole truth until I was 26 when I got really sick with shingles and it my health took a really crazy turn from it and I at that point finally realized I am not invincible. I need to take care of my health, I need to be aware of my surroundings, I need to be more careful and that's a. That's a weird stretch, but like visiting cemeteries in a in a weird way for me, that my dad tried, he tried to show me the dangers of skiing and, like you're, you are a percentage also, you will fall into percentages. If you keep doing this you, you will get hurt and I love you and I'm your father. I don't want to see you get hurt either. Stupid, you're just kept breaking. His heart was, and I did get hurt a lot of times. So I didn't even shake that invincibility fallacy from my brain until I was 26.
Speaker 1:So in the same sense, I think that is a good fallacy in in that whole realm of like you're not invincible with business, with relationships, with your own personal finances, like you've got to realize. The statistics are out there. And have you been a part of some really good plays and the monkey pushing the buttons and getting a little bit lucky? So I don't know, I love that, that whole idea of just questioning your own history and if, if you have been maybe you know guilty of giving yourself a little bit too much credit, and I I certainly really like to do that with partnerships as well. I think everyone does.
Speaker 1:When you're in a partnership, there's that tally mark always happening of like I'm doing this, what are you up to? And they're they're doing the same thing. I'm doing this, what are you up to, what are you contributing, what are you working on? And I I think logical fallacies can happen left and right in relationships and business relationships and partnerships, and I guess that's my big question this is what I'm scared of is, if I start to recognize more of these fallacies in my own thinking, how am I going to deal with other people's fallacies and how, if you notice someone making a logical fallacy like is it worth it, do you bring it up? Do you try to correct people, do you teach people this? Or are we going to become the Karen's of life, constantly telling people like you're wrong. I don't want to get to where I'm like constantly judgy also, you know it is that. Is that something that we even attempt to do? Educate or have this discussion with people outside of this book, reading it?
Speaker 3:well. I think that's where, as society, we need to get to a point where we can have these conversations without it being offensive and without it being without it getting into this argumentative sort of thing, that we have to be able to recognize that we don't know everything and sometimes it's nice to have somebody to have a conversation with you and point out kind of the shit that you're doing that's wrong and where you need to kind of smarten up and get better at things. So, whether it is a logical fallacy that you're talking about or whatever aspect you're like that you're doing wrong. But I think that's part of the critical thinking, that stuff that I was trying to get into and look at more was being able to step outside of your emotions and think about something logically and break it down to its like bare roots. Is this thing real? Because that's the biggest thing with society in general right now is we get offended by something someone says to us about us, even if it's not meant to be offensive, even if it's meant as an observation.
Speaker 3:So, in line with what you're saying, where if Lane is doing something wrong and I were to go like smart enough, do something better, I mean obviously there's a way to approach it, as the person who's saying something so that it doesn't sound offensive, but, in the same right, the person who's being told that is always going to have their back against the wall anyways, because you're telling me I'm doing something wrong.
Speaker 3:How dare you and that's where I like it, like I'm saying, I think we need to step outside of our own emotions in that sense and look at what we're doing and be able to think am I doing something wrong? What am I doing wrong and acknowledge it? Or you know, one of the things that like, again, critical thinking and sort of in line with what we're talking about. Someone posted something this afternoon or this morning on Twitter in one of the groups that I'm a part of and the. The post was basically along the lines of if you're talking about somebody, if you're, if you're willing to talk about somebody while they're not around, but you're not willing to talk about them to their face, it it becomes that you're seeking attention or you're you're enjoying the tension you get from talking about said person, so it's like self.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's a really, that's a really broad blanket to put over that kind of situation right, and that's the thing that I said about it was.
Speaker 3:That's not entirely true, because there are there are many instances that fall into this and it's an entirely gray area. And if you're talking about somebody that is like a complete narcissist and their toxic and whatever and you have evidence to prove that they are, and you're talking about them as more of an informative manner of hey, look out for this person, they're doing this. You're not like I've cut. I've cut that person out of my life. I don't want to be around them because they're toxic. So I'm gonna I'm gonna explain to you why I've talked or why I've done so. I'm gonna show you the stuff that they've done. You're not seeking enjoyment out of talking about them and the attention you're getting about talking about them.
Speaker 1:You're more so trying to like inform the person you're talking to exactly, and even in the web three world it could be trying to keep people safe, right? It's like the Zach the Zach guy that reports on scams. It's like I think that's incredibly important in this industry to have checks and balances, because that to me sounds a little bit like a a rugger's apology type statement, don't you think? It's like, oh you foot in my bags. It's like what? No, this is a scammer and it's not worth it. Like there's such a Stockholm syndrome within web three also that a scammer can turn into a hero real quick because, I don't know, oh boy, shoot web but the other side of it was.
Speaker 3:The other side of it was and this is more the side that he was talking about was there's constant drama in this one server that I'm a part of, because there's a group of people who hate on this one person, and they hate on this one person because of their their white knighting for a female that's no longer there. That claim that somebody else did something and he supported that person and the evidence didn't support what she was claiming. But she ended up disappearing and they were basically white knighting for her and started to make up all this shit about this. This person, who wasn't even the person involved, just supported the other person, and so they're still carrying on about how bad of a person this, this guy, is when he doesn't come in and talk and just say anything. They're doing it when he's not even around, but they have zero evidence to back it. They're not pro. They're not posting screenshots of things he said. They're not posting audio clips of the like ways he's interacted with these people. There's no evidence to support that this person was like the, the, the toxic person. And to add to that, one of the people who is one of the aggressors or whatever posted something literally yesterday that was like praising Nazis in World War two. And you're like, okay, well, who are we gonna believe now? More the guy that is saying, no, I didn't say this stuff and has evidence to support that, or the guy that's claiming that he's this negative person but then on the same side is praising Nazis and whatnot, like it's.
Speaker 3:That's again coming back to the critical thing. You have to kind of look at both sides and say, okay, how, who's in the right here and how do we decide that? How do we pick that apart and what values are we assigning to determine that sort of stuff? And I don't think like to go back to what your question was, but don't think that it becomes a, karen if your being able to pick this stuff apart and have a conversation about it, as opposed to just being the person who's bitching and moaning without any kind of supporting or whatever.
Speaker 3:If you're trying to come up with solutions to help someone grow and help someone, I think that's great. But if you're doing it just to be a dick, then no, you're not helping the situation, you're not helping anyone grow, and I think that's where the distinction comes from is like, what is the reasoning behind you saying this? Are you trying to be Mr I'm Always Right and whatever like narcissism in that sense or are you trying to actually help people grow and evolve and get better at things? Don't, don't, your hands are dirty. Get off the couch, you're just. You just ate pizza. Go back and eat your food, sorry.
Speaker 1:Hey, I'm digging the daytime extra little voices and noises that we'll hear from all of us and our kids and stuff. That's hilarious. I love that.
Speaker 3:And I reading pizza and my kids got greasy fingers and he comes over and starts grabbing the couch and stuff. It's like no daddy.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, my daughter and my son. Well no, my daughter. She liked to wipe her greasy hands on my beard. And then my son he liked to use his own hair to wipe his hands sometimes, don't you?
Speaker 1:remember that Shan Classic. Oh man, I think I'm really excited to perhaps come across some of these fallacies and work together with you guys on. Maybe I can't even think of anyone specific, but I always go into a book with like, okay, I'm gonna learn something and I'll be able to apply it to life. I want to be able to come out of this book with you know, learning what my fallacies on a regular basis are that I can improve, and then also, obviously, anyone that might be struggling in life and it's due to fallacies, and so it'll be fun to maybe see any personal stories that we're willing to share. Or I have a co-worker dealing that. I'm dealing with that. Literally. It's a simple, logical fallacy thing. It could fix our relationship. Dot, dot dot like this will be fun. I'm kind of excited, even if it is a downer of a book, which again, I'm kind of stoked on this tone. But if it is a downer, we can at least come together and discuss it and come up with ideas and how to improve our lives and relate it to ourselves. And attention everybody.
Speaker 1:Mr Edward Martin is here on this stage. Hello, my friend, how are you? Hopefully, hopefully, we have Mr Edward Martin. For those that might not know. He was a past author of ours and writes awesome fictional novels, and so that was a really, really great cycle going through his books and hopefully we get to hear from you. So feel free to unmute and say what up when we have your time, my friend, thank you. Well, you guys, I am excited about this one.
Speaker 1:I think we can kind of take some big bites out of a few chapters at a time. So that's kind of the only order of business that we need to figure out is once a week, how many chapters do we want to read at a time? What are you guys thinking? Dap already got through 17 chapters, I think is what he said. So maybe we could catch up to him and let's see what page that would put us at If he's around chapter 17,. Oh, I think we can go more than that. Let's I would love to do if we've got a 300 page book. Let me bust out a calculator here real quick. So if we've got about 300 pages, we divide it into 75. Now let's do 300 divided by 60. I guess maybe we do about 300 divided by 50. Let's go to around chapter 17. Then that might work out for a nice pace actually. So chapter 17,. About 50 pages at a time. So I think if we can kind of game plan that Dap, you're just gonna be the guy that's ahead of us and we'll have to catch up to. He's always listening on his audiobooks and so I appreciate you being ahead of us If you want to go ahead on these.
Speaker 1:This isn't really a spoiler type book where we're gonna give any secrets away of the main characters. So I feel like the pace of this one, you get through a chapter, it goes to the next and any type of pacing like that. You've got a lot of blank space in between each chapter and the next. So it's gonna be a quick one, I think. So I think we give that a try about 50 pages and we'll meet again next Wednesday and we'll see if we need to kind of bring it back. That's a lot of fallacies. That's 17 fallacies. I don't want to. Maybe that's too many and we want to discuss more. So we'll kind of give it that the first week try and if we need to cut that back a little bit, we can do that.
Speaker 1:But you guys, what I wanted to do real quick this is, I guess, going to be because we've been talking about it and what the chapter was and what the book is, but there haven't been really any specifics for any of you that don't know anything about this book quite yet. We do have in the announcements and in the health claim channel, explanation and a link to the book, but I just wanted to read the intro for you out loud so that all of you can get an idea and for the recording, if anyone's listening back on this what this book is. The intro is a just three pages about here, not long. I'll read through it here quick, but it'll give you guys a pretty good idea of the whole goal and mission and how this, this book, came about. So let me just do that real quick and then we'll kind of wrap things up. Let me get a giveaway set up as well. I'm going to put the giveaway bot in the book ideas public channel, so be looking out for that so that we can get a $10 winner for our VIP listeners as well. So this is the intro and I think, if you guys are able to, the book came in about two days for me, so let me give you a little bit of a taste, Get excited. Remember that you got reimbursements. I'm extremely easygoing on these reimbursements. I love to reimburse you guys, even if you're a cub holder. Please get the books and participate with us.
Speaker 1:So in the fall of 2004, a European media mogul invited me to Munich to partake in what was described as an informal exchange of intellectuals. I had never considered myself an intellectual. I had studied business, which made me quite the opposite really but I had also written two literary novels, and that, I guessed, must have qualified me for such an invitation. Nassim Nicholas Taleb was sitting at the table, and I apologize if I said that name wrong At that time. He was an obscure Wall Street trader with a penchant for philosophy. I was introduced to him as an authority of the English and Scottish Enlightenment, particularly the philosophy of David Hume. Obviously, I had been mixed up with someone else. Stunned, I nevertheless flashed a hesitant smile around the room and let the resulting silence act as proof of my philosophical prowess.
Speaker 1:Right away, taleb pulled over a free chair and padded the seat I sat down. After a cursory exchange about Hume, the conversation mercifully shifted to Wall Street. We marveled at the systematic errors, and decision-making CEOs and business leaders make ourselves included. We chatted about the fact that unexpected events seem much more likely in retrospect. We chuckled about why it is that investors cannot part with their shares when they drop below acquisition price. Following the event, taleb sent me pages from his manuscript, a gem of a book, which I commented on and partly criticized. These went on to form part of his international bestseller, the Black Swan. The book catapulted Taleb into the intellectual All-Star League. Meanwhile, my appetite wetted. I began to devour books and articles written by cognitive and social scientists on topics such as heuristics and biases, and I also increased my email conversations with a large number of researchers and started to visit their labs. By 2009, I realized that, alongside my job as a novelist, I had become a student of social and cognitive psychology.
Speaker 1:The failure to think clearly, or what experts call a cognitive error, is a systematic deviation from logic, from optimal, rational, reasonable thought and behavior. By systematic, I mean that these are not just occasional errors in judgment, but rather routine mistakes, barriers to logic. We stumble over time and again repeating patterns through generations and through the centuries. For example, it is much more common that we overestimate our knowledge than we underestimate it. Similarly, the danger of losing something stimulates us much more than the prospect of making a similar gain. In the presence of other people, we tend to adjust our behavior to theirs, not the opposite. Anecdotes make us overlook the statistical distribution base rate behind it, not the other way around. The errors we make follow the same pattern over and over again, piling up in one specific predictable corner like dirty laundry, while the other corner remains relatively clean. They pile up in the overconfidence corner, not the underconfidence corner.
Speaker 1:So to avoid frivolous gambles with the wealth I had accumulated over the course of my literary career, I began to put together a list of the systematic cognitive errors, complete with notes and personal anecdotes, with no intention of ever publishing them. The list was originally designed to be used by me alone. Some of these thinking errors have been known for centuries. Others have been discovered in the last few years. Some come with two or three names attached to them. I chose the terms most widely used.
Speaker 1:Soon I realized that such a compilation of pitfalls was not only useful for making investing decisions, but also for business and personal matters. Once I had prepared the list, I felt calmer and more level-headed. I began to recognize my own errors sooner and was able to change course before any lasting damage was done. And the first time in my life I was able to recognize when others might be in the thrall of these very same systematic errors. Armed with my list, I could now resist their pull and perhaps even gain an upper hand in my dealings. I now had categories, terms and explanations with which to ward off the specter of irrationality. Since Benjamin Franklin's kite flying days, thunder and lightning have not grown less frequent, powerful or loud, but they have become less worrisome. This is exactly how I feel about my own irrationality now. I love that Friends soon learned of my compendium and showed interest. This led to a weekly newspaper column in Germany, holland and Switzerland, countless presentations, mostly to medical doctors, investors, board members, ceos and government officials, and eventually to this book.
Speaker 1:Please keep in mind three things as you peruse these pages. First, the list of fallacies in this book is not complete. Undoubtedly new ones will be discovered. Second, the majority of these errors are related to one another. This should come as no surprise. After all, all brain regions are linked. Neural projections travel from region to region in the brain. No area functions independently. Third, I am primarily a novelist and an entrepreneur, not a social scientist. I don't have my own lab where I can conduct experiments on cognitive errors, nor do I have a staff of researchers I can dispatch to scout for behavioral errors.
Speaker 1:In writing this book, I think of myself as a translator whose job is to interpret and synthesize what I've read and learned to put it into terms others can understand. My great respect goes to the researchers who, in recent decades, have uncovered these behavioral and cognitive errors. The success of this book is fundamentally a tribute to their research. I am enormously indebted to them. This is not a how-to book. You won't find seven steps to an error-free life here.
Speaker 1:Cognitive errors are far too ingrained. To rid ourselves of them completely, silencing them, would require superhuman willpower, but that isn't even a worthy goal. Not all cognitive errors are toxic, and some are even necessary for leading a good life. Although this book may not hold the key to happiness, at the very least it acts as insurance against too much self-induced happiness. Indeed, my wish is quite simple If we could learn to recognize and evade the biggest errors in thinking in our private lives, at work or in government, we might experience a leap in prosperity. We need no extra cunning, no new ideas, no unnecessary gadgets, no frantic hyperactivity. All we need is less irrationality. I love that. I love that intro. I loved it when I read it. I loved it when I just read it again. It's not even wishing for more rationality, it's hoping for less irrationality. I like how he gives credit to other people. I'm still wondering if he's gonna upsell me, but we'll see Sparky go ahead.
Speaker 3:The one thing that I want to note for anybody who's listening, and just in general with what he said in that opening intro that he wrote, is he talks a lot about avoiding anecdotal data, which is just essentially made up. There's nothing backing it, going with the statistical data, the actual data that's been pulled by researchers and people doing study, which is a really fairer thing to say because more often than not, those numbers are the accurate depiction of what's going on. But if you look at any argument that we've gone through in recent history amongst two different sides I'm not gonna get into specific sides because there's so many that are fighting back and forth, whether it's religious-based or political-based or whatever, the ones that have anecdotal data that is just stuff that they're saying without any kind of solid backing and statistical backing. Or even if it's statistics that is made up that has no actual research done to show those statistics, then it's not something that you should be listening to. And that's what he's trying to say is understanding the difference between actual data that has been researched and there's been teams that have done the studies and everything versus oh well, there's this study, that is this, and there's no actual study. It's just someone wrote a paper because it was their opinion on it. There's no actual proof behind it. I think that's something that we need to focus on as well.
Speaker 3:Even though he's saying this, there's still some holes in it, because you have to also look at who's producing those studies, who's showing those studies, and if the studies are being produced by, like, for instance, we talk about weightlifting magazines or weightlifting communities that talk about protein powder being great for you and whatever, and there's studies that show this, and you look and there are studies, but those studies are actually paid for by the protein powder companies. It's a bias-built study. It's not built off of unbiased and it's not some independent person coming in and doing the study and saying here's the actual data, not here's the data that we're wanting to push on you. There's a huge difference in that and you really have to look at kind of the unbiased studies as the more factual ones than something where I mean looking back in the 70s or whatever 50s and 60s that like nine out of 10 doctors choose Marlboro, like, and then you know years later it's like well, cigarettes cause cancer, so don't smoke.
Speaker 3:Like we finally did the actual studies and found that this is gonna kill you. But you know back in the day the advertising was nine out of 10 doctors choose this, and even though it's objectively bad for you. So you really have to look at the kind of the bias and unbiased side of things when you're listening to this, and I think that's obviously one of the things he's probably gonna talk about when we get into it and go down the rabbit hole here. One of the other things, too, that I wanted to talk about was Lane was talking about the whole cemetery stuff earlier, and how is that Before you?
Speaker 1:get into that. I'm excited to hear you go into that topic. I do want to make sure everyone knows I launched a giveaway in the book Ideas Public Channel. If you're a VIP listener, you can enter for that for the 10 bucks and that's in three minutes. So hop over to Discord while Sparky's talking here and rambling. This is perfect. Yeah, you got two minutes. Hop over into the Discord.
Speaker 1:Giveaway is in the book Ideas Public and if you aren't a VIP listener, all you gotta do is stick around these spaces 10 times. We've been adding consistently one VIP listener at a time. It's awesome. So thank you to all of you who are participating and anyone that is not a VIP listener yet. Just hit me up in a DM and we'll look over your stats and get you that NFT. I airdrop it to you. We also have giveaways in the VIP listener giveaway channel as well, but I put these in the book Ideas Public In a minute. It'll go off that way. Anyone's listening and paying attention. It's gonna work out. I like this little process so far, so keep going, sparky.
Speaker 3:Well you talked about previously about how your dad would cut out these news articles of people getting injured and stuff and doing stunts and whatever and going to the ER as like an a wake up call for you to smarten up. But again, looking at the whole critical thinking aspect and thinking logically, we look at the phrase YOLO that kids started using a lot when a couple of years back, or whatever, standing for you only live once and thinking logically on that phrase. It's like the kids are thinking, well, you only live once, so like, live life to the fullest and do whatever you want. But on the other hand of it, if you think logically, you only live once, so don't do anything stupid. That will just jeopardize that and put you at risk Because that's it. Once it's done, it's done and sure you might live life to the fullest to some degree.
Speaker 3:But if you do something stupid like there was a case where some kids friends dared their friend that can't remember who was in Australia or in the States somewhere, but they dared their friends to eat a slug and eat a slug and it basically had some sort of like parasite in it and it killed them. You only live once. Mentality only work so far until you do something really stupid.
Speaker 3:I mean, even look at like the jackass guys that they've done so many things that have been very reckless and they've had so many injuries and things like that that I'm sure there's a lot of stuff that they regret doing and they were doing it for fame and fortune and years later they're now elderly to some degree. They're not elderly, but they're older. They're like pushing 50. And they're having bodies of like the 70 year olds because they've got so many injuries that they're living with. So and I think it's very I mean, obviously we're gonna read more about this chapter and dive into it, but I think it's very interesting to look at the critical thinking side of things, where you can look at both sides and see both sides as points, but obviously find where the more realistic side of things is and be like it makes more sense to live more cautiously than it does to be more risky and whatever. And I think that's what you're saying with Edward, you got your hand up.
Speaker 5:What is happening, gus?
Speaker 1:What is going on? What's good, edward? How are you, my man? I tried to do a whole intro for you earlier and you must have been busy in the background.
Speaker 5:How are you, my friend? Oh sorry, no, we're getting furniture into our new place. So, like I seen this come up and I was like I'll turn it on, man, because it's been a minute. But yeah, we're. I'm living back now, just like Canada, so it's been hard. You guys been having spaces so late for me, like it's usually when you guys are starting, it's like 130 here, so I'm just like I can't even anymore. So, but this new time is great. Is this going to be a consistent time or what's happening with that?
Speaker 1:I mean unfortunately, and for you it sounds like fortunately, it's going to work out for some people. This I'm in like the busiest coaching dad coach season of my life. I've got three kids sports at the same time. I'm I've really signed up for a schedule, so for this book at least. Yes, we're probably looking at this time once a week on Wednesdays at 3pm my time, so that's 5pm Eastern Standard Time.
Speaker 5:Okay, so it's only once a week now.
Speaker 1:Yep, I'm, I'm.
Speaker 5:Unfortunately I got just a busy schedule, so I think that's good because you know you get time to read, you're not rushing between. I always found Monday to Wednesday like the hardest time, because it's like feels like a real push and if you have one of those days, what you're looking for yeah, yeah. So I don't know, I think this might work, um, so yeah, I'm talking like it's when you guys started. I think it was, uh, I think it was 630. When you guys started, for me that's that's how big of a time difference we're in right now. It's a three and a half hour time difference for me and you.
Speaker 1:So if you don't even. Oh, hey, this is great to have you here with us, my friends, did you, uh? Did you hear a little bit about this book that we're reading, and? And does it, does it, uh, pique your interest?
Speaker 5:I it was already taught cause we were listening to you guys as we were driving by. Caitlin just got a Ford Bronco, which is incredible, like the car is so nice. But that's besides the point of. Yeah, we were driving down from from our shop at winners picking up our stuff for the house and, um, yeah, I'm really intrigued. I might actually go to the store and see if I can pick it up somewhere, like on a check.
Speaker 1:Well, hey, just just order it off the Amazon Canada and I'll reimburse you. My friend, you got to just hop in a ticket and I'll. I'll get you, I'll get you paid back. This one's a good one In terms of a little bit of a shift in vibe. You know, we we had such good, happy, uh, entertainment and imagination time with your books and then we got back to a little bit of finance self-help. This one's really a vibe check, yeah. So I've been trying to do it Any kind of.
Speaker 5:I always liked that interest me, so I'm glad you're, you're interested, and I just got my office set up in the room too, so I'm going to definitely start working on my next book. Yeah, it's been a. It's been a really big, huge roller coaster from like the start of this year, um, just in a hotel, depressed, you know, like working away in my life, to like now everything's doing good. I'm I'm pretty excited about things moving forward and the place we're living in now there's a good possibility that we can even buy it, um, within a year. So, once we get everything sorted.
Speaker 1:So and hey, you just breezed by some really big, some really big news You're working on a new book. Rewind. What's going on?
Speaker 5:The, the one that, um, we were talking about. I'm like only just now starting to like put some ideas together and stuff for it. I think we tapped about it before. I'm pretty sure. Um, ryan, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, give us, give us a little, a few details. Yeah, I mean, we're just kind of wrapping up, so this is perfect, we got to. We got an author on the space giving us author news on our book club.
Speaker 5:Yeah, we got, we got to.
Speaker 1:That's not why it came on though, cause I feel no, I know, but I'm always going to press it, bro, and and honestly, you're, you're, uh, what is that? Alumni? You know you're part of the the the bamboo book time author alumni. So we have to make a big deal.
Speaker 5:Oh my God, do we have tokens for that? Alumni tokens? I think that'd be kind of cool. Hey, that's cool. Caching your tokens for, like um, different things. It's a dope idea, caching your, you know, every time you're in the space you earn a token, and then that token can be used to like, maybe get some, uh, merchandise, like some pandas or something. I think that'd be kind of cool. Did I just come up with a brilliant idea?
Speaker 1:I like it. I like it.
Speaker 5:But no, um, this is pretty cool guys. Um, uh, the book I was working on it's called silent. I was, it's um a book about a serial killer this time, and this woman is seeing things um that kind of lead her down a path. Um, and I'm also bringing some characters back from other books, so it's kind of be kind of like tying the other two books together. So I'm pretty pumped about that. I don't want to get into too much details because I'm still like coming up with the ideas and stuff and still, um, I'm only four chapters in, so it's not like I'm very far. But now that I got the new space, I'm off work for a couple of months, I think it's going to be time to you know, at least spend an hour a day working on it.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's exciting. Well, you've got. You've got to keep us updated, keep coming through on these times. I'm glad it's a good time for you. Yeah, for sure, that's the effort must.
Speaker 5:Anyone can shoot me a message, just so I'm more aware, because I only just miraculously seen that message that you guys rent a space right now, otherwise, okay, but yeah you can bag me or something a couple of hours before the space, just to remember. It's remind me I'd love to bug you.
Speaker 1:I'll bug you for sure, and that's one of my. I thrive in bugging people about stuff.
Speaker 5:And how's everyone doing? How's Ryan? How's dad Sparkey? How's it going? Guys, hold on. Let me get the crickets like old times sake.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:There we go. That's a good one.
Speaker 3:Can you hear me?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I don't know if I'm coming through.
Speaker 5:How's it?
Speaker 4:going. It's good Hear your voice.
Speaker 5:It's good to hear things are going good for you. Yeah Right, I definitely needed some time away from the space. I was way too stressed, especially when my team decided to kind of be like done with the project and I was just I had it enough and pretty much I had to just like end it all, which was unfortunate. But you know, I had to do what I had to do. Did I just say a hundred percent, I had it all good yeah. But yeah, no, it's good to hear you.
Speaker 1:I think I think I think Dap's doing all right I don't want to speak for anyone Sparkey's Sparkey's enjoying some delicious pizza with his kids, that's. That's kind of a fun. Addition to this time of day is we're hearing a little bit more activity in the background, with everyone hustling and bustling and so I myself am dealing with kids on spring break and my pets and all of it. So I love the background stuff going on and it just kind of adds to the fact that we're all people living real lives. We got stuff going on and you kind of do have to make reading a priority to make it happen, and not everyone can just slip away for an hour or two to talk about books, and so I really do like to enter book club this, any book before I ever did book club, but I love to enter reading a book with you know a goal, or at least by the end of the book I'll have goals and take it real serious.
Speaker 1:And I have had to get into the habit of making time and like even mentally quote, unquote sacrificing time to make books happen and it's like, oh, I'm so tired I can, I can do it tomorrow, and it's just like no, I know what that means. I'll I won't read tomorrow is what that means, and then I'll a week or two will go by and I'll have to get back into it again. So this is really helpful to have even a further step of a little book club and show up, get your reading done so you can discuss it. It's very helpful, but it is a sacrifice. So I appreciate you guys sacrificing time to make, make a book happen and and talk about it. So, yeah, edward, that's exciting to me, and I know Sparky he let me know he's got dinner around this time and so we'll continue throughout the lifetime of bamboo book time, probably adjusting the schedule here and there, and I just appreciate you guys understanding Sometimes my seasons get a little busier with my kiddos and so, yeah, I'm just excited to make it work. Go ahead, sparky.
Speaker 3:You don't have any availability on, like Saturdays or Sundays at all.
Speaker 1:Sundays could be doable. Yeah, that could be a day that we could, but this season Sundays are basketball games for Able, and so it's really. I don't even have the roster or the schedule yet, and games are coming up here quick, so they like throw us the schedule last minute, so Sundays are even a question, but usually Sundays are like the best wide open for me.
Speaker 3:So my thought process was, like, weekends are usually better for everyone in general, just because, like, especially if people are commuting around five o'clock, they're going to be driving home you know nine to five jobs if that's what they're doing. So, you know, the thought process was, if we could pull off a weekend and do it like on a Saturday night or a Sunday night or whatever Sunday afternoon, so that it's not, you know, interfering with the sports and whatever, I think that would be more optimal, especially, like, from my standpoint. But obviously I got to think about what's good for everybody as a whole.
Speaker 3:So, like you know, I'm limited with what I can do, especially if I'm actually cooking around this time. So that's just where I'm coming from, but the solution that works for everybody would be like a weekend sort of thing.
Speaker 1:I love that idea. Yeah, sundays would be ideal for me actually. So hopefully this week I'll get my roster of the schedule for the basketball season and we can kind of finagle and work around the schedule a little bit better. But yeah, that means the world to me that you guys are hoping to find a time that works. You can be part of the discussion. That's so cool. Thank you, thank you, thank you. So I want to make it work for everyone and each book is as important as the last one and I want to get everyone's thoughts and contribution and everything. So, yeah, I'll do my best to make it to work and Sundays could, could be really good. So it doesn't sound like we have a lot of objections so far about that. So we'll kind of let the ideas simmer. But yeah, that would be awesome. It looks like we lost Edward. That was awesome to have him with us for a minute. And yeah, like I said, next Wednesday, let's, let's shoot for that just for the time being, until I figure out. But yeah, sunday you're, you're definitely getting me excited to maybe reschedule it and we'll get everyone's kind of comfortability with that. So, but yeah, next Wednesday, same same time, we'll rock again and I'm going to plan on reading to about page 50 and we'll catch up with Dap and hopefully Dap doesn't get too far ahead of us and think he's too much smarter than us too quick. But no, appreciate, you guys, and I hope you guys have a wonderful rest of your day.
Speaker 1:It's weird to not like say good night, and it's, I'm going to start preparing for bedtime. I still got a whole afternoon evening scheduling. I'm going to a hockey game tonight. You guys, date night. I'm really excited. We, we have to like force, squeeze in activities around all the other schedules. And is that not a dream come true, you guys, that, like our dream date night as a couple is to go to a hockey game. Oh my gosh, I'm so lucky. I love watching hockey and I know, sparky, this is so cliche, but you've got to love hockey, right? I mean, is that, is that? Is that a bad thing to say? Assume that every Canadian loves hockey.
Speaker 1:Um maybe, maybe, right, I feel like I'm in the territory of being an asshole. Yeah, I'm definitely. I don't know a single person.
Speaker 3:That doesn't like maple syrup but it's. It's definitely like. Obviously I enjoy playing the sport, I enjoy skating, but like watching NHL and stuff like that. I'm not really big into sports in general. As far as watching is concerned, I think the only thing we really watch here in our houses is F one religiously, but outside of that I'd say anything that's world based, like Olympics or like the World Juniors or the World Cup of whatever.
Speaker 3:We kind of watch that more and I'll watch, like you know, the, the World Juniors or the World Cup of hockey over the NHL, just just because it's I don't know. I feel like it's more especially the juniors. It's more about the hockey than it is about the fighting and the money at that point in their careers and I just find that a lot of these big superstar athletes that are from North America are getting paid ridiculous money to do something that we used to do for fun as kids and it just sounds a bit ridiculous. That's my kind of issue with with just sports in general. When they get to a certain level, it's certainly agree.
Speaker 1:Man, I am such a fan of youth hockey that it's so fun to watch, and especially if you have loved ones that you're watching, and that's that's new. New for me, because my nephew they both, both nephews they're so small and young out there skating around. It's really fun to watch them learning hockey. I just didn't grow up watching that age play hockey, so to get to experience that now it's really fun. And it's it's cold in there. You got to dress warm. Yeah, youth sports, I just I love that and I'll shout out to my man. I'll check in with him see, maybe a Sundays might be good for him too. Yeah, or missing might man the other dad coach. I love talking about youth sports. So, but yeah, we've got a fun hockey game. The Idaho Steelheads are playing tonight and we used to love getting a bunch of beer and getting drunk watching the games, but we just watch the games now. Both of us are sober now and so we just love the hell out of the hockey games. It's just the same. So we've got that on the docket tonight and then we will be driving down to Utah for to visit some family and do a little bit of last minute spring break fun. So the busy schedule is just kind of kicking off with spring break here and I'm excited to enjoy the rest of the week.
Speaker 1:I hope you guys all get to enjoy the rest of the week and if it's not your spring break, it's got to be coming up soon and I hope it's ours last week or last week. So I hope it's more enjoyable than stressful for all of us. I know breaks for parents can be can equal more work. So let's all, let's all get through whatever week we have ahead of us. We're we're halfway through it. It's Wednesday. Let's kick ass. I'm going to send us off with a little bit of pandemania anthem. Nessie, I know this isn't relevant to the direct book we're reading, but just wanted to send you guys off with some good pandemania vibes. Appreciate you guys. Breezy, thanks for stepping up here with us today. Sparky, as usual. Thank you so much, ryan, appreciate you. Congrats on taking another VIP listener win, by the way. So again, anyone else that doesn't have that NFT yet, hop in a DM with me. We'll get that for you. Much love you guys. Have a good rest of the day and week.
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Speaker 1:Have a kick-ass day and good rest of the week. Talk soon.