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'Lyrics, Literature, and Complexities: A Thought-Provoking Walk through "Cleansing Bones", Time-Mixed Realities, and the Subtleties of Storytelling'

December 11, 2023 Layne Boyle & Guests Season 1 Episode 200
PANDA SPACES
'Lyrics, Literature, and Complexities: A Thought-Provoking Walk through "Cleansing Bones", Time-Mixed Realities, and the Subtleties of Storytelling'
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Ever wondered how a song's lyrics could breathe life into a book's themes? This week we strolled along the pages of Raven Blackwood's "Cleansing Bones" and realized the uncanny parallels with Imagine Dragons' "Demons". It's not just the tune that's stuck in our heads, but the intricate plot of the book that had us gripped, disturbed, yet oh-so-hooked. From Sophia's encounter with her past self to Luna's manipulative tactics, we were left on the edge of our seats, unable to peel our eyes away from the book, eagerly awaiting its climax.

We've also been pondering the complexities of alternate realities and time travel woven into the narrative. Remember the TV show Lost? We drew some fascinating comparisons with Blackwood's plot, which has left us mulling over the layers and depth of this intriguing story. But let's be honest, too many plot twists can get a tad confusing and sometimes, even deter us from reading. We did find ourselves tangling and untangling the convoluted plot points, but the imaginative elements kept us hooked. 

With a nod to the book "Claire and Diana," we debated about book length, structure and the potential of condensing stories into shorter formats or extending them into series. We even touched upon our shared love for vampire stories and how they sneak in historical events. And oh, did we mention Edward Rabbit's early works? We can't help but applaud his ingenious plot twists and the way he blends science and belief systems. As a surprise twist, we ended up joking about starting a cult based on Edward's book. So buckle up! Tune in to our episode to navigate the intricacies of "Cleansing Bones" with us.

FYI OUTRO

Speaker 1:

you, you. They tell me it's all in my mind. They don't know they're yet to try. My thoughts are safer inside. I pray it hurts. They tell me it's all in my mind. They don't know they're yet to try. My thoughts are safer inside. I pray it hurts less this time. They tell me it's all in my mind they don't know, they're yet to try.

Speaker 2:

What lies within is a mess this pill will fix it again.

Speaker 1:

Don't say it's all in my brain, cause I can't help being this way. I feel the changes they've made.

Speaker 2:

Now I don't feel the same. Leave my secrets alone. They want it for you to know. I hear the knock at my door as they take me far from my home. They say it's better this way, but the voices they tell me are the same. They think their chains in my veins as they walk me up in this place they say it starts in my soul, makes its way down through my blood.

Speaker 1:

It's been with me since I was young, but they can't explain what is wrong.

Speaker 2:

I think that I've had enough. I don't know who I can trust. Leave my secrets alone. They want it for you to know. I hear the knock at my door as they take me far from my home. They say it's better this way, but the voices they tell me are the same. They think their chains in my veins as they walk me up in this place.

Speaker 1:

They don't say it's better leave my secrets alone. They want it for you to know. I hear the knock at my door as they make me fake in my heart. Think their chains in my veins as they walk me up in this place.

Speaker 6:

I played the song Demons from him earlier on and I chose this song just because the lyrics kind of sum up a lot of the story. It just, you know, being locked up because people say that they're crazy and whatever, cleansing them and and bleeding and bones, and like there's so much of this that I felt just fit with the the overall story, so I just thought it felt like the right song to play.

Speaker 7:

Some nice, some nice tunes to start the space as well. I liked that. I was Really enjoying that. So thank you. I appreciate the intro and I appreciate you all for being here today. I hope your Monday has been lovely. I hope you've all had success and You're able to retire for the day, so to speak, and relax a little bit.

Speaker 7:

I don't know if any of your nighttime routines, or some of you, are on the other side of the world. You might be at lunchtime or something, so I know we're not all on the same schedule, but it's my kind of nighttime, so the kids are all getting to bed. I Really love this time of night and gosh Mondays and Wednesdays have been Great. I really look forward to this and I got my reading done. I'm excited. I I know that.

Speaker 7:

You know we're right on the ladder part of this crazy tale and it's been a big long book. But really I Mean I read through a hundred pages for this assignment and I don't know it's a pretty quick, fast read. I know that's. You know hundred pages is still a hundred pages, but they will be broken up. Each chapter Rarely goes past like five pages, so every now and then you have, you know a one or two Pager and it's like you see the next chapter coming up. And I don't know about you guys, but with these style of chapters that kind of go quickly, I feel like I I just Breeze through a real fast and there's something mental about seeing the next chapter on the next page so quick. It's like, oh man, I'm gonna find out something else about someone else and I I just seem to cruise through a hundred pages pretty easily.

Speaker 7:

So anyone that has been listening and is like, oh, that book is big and they keep saying that and it's scary, it has not felt like I have read through 650, some on 666, that's right. I've read through some big books that by the time you get to page 500 you're like, wow, I'm definitely at page 500, but this one it's. It's been a little bit different with that size. How's everyone doing? We don't have Edward here tonight. He's probably on the clock saving lives, ryan, how are you doing tonight, my friend?

Speaker 5:

Hey, hey, good, good, Just get the case I'm bed here and get situated through tonight, but things are going good. It's Ticking down to the end of the year I was like, oh man, that's amazing how fast time flies. And it's, it's just amazing, it's really isn't. I was honestly just thinking back to last, last year, about the project and I. It was just really cool to see just the both of them were at and how we're, you know, congregating and we're in a book club and we have this, you know, interaction with people that are in web three, who, who we've met, who has came through the type of audiences that we've had. It's just been a kind of a neat, neat experience and I've just been really thinking back up on it and just being grateful for it and just wanted to say every, everybody that has been partaking up here on stage and down in the audience that thank you for being around and Help them.

Speaker 5:

This journey, man, this has been cool and exciting and Something I never thought I'd be doing and I wanted to say it till Edward too bad he's not here, but yeah, look, it's making me crammed on so many levels of like God is challenging me and it's freaky and demented. I don't like it. I'm like God's twisting my brain. I gotta cleanse myself after I read it. So you know, there's my rat, raven. And then they wanted to say that because it's been exciting. Man, this has just been so neat, such a neat journey.

Speaker 7:

Man, I agree, and we're adding books to the list. We'll just keep adding them and it's been a real Quick year. Man, that's crazy. It really is wild that it's December and it's kind of getting that time to look back on progress of things personal business, fitness. I know we're all gonna be guilt-tripped into New Year's resolutions but you know that's that's fun.

Speaker 7:

I like that part of the part of the year and making goals and I know we can all make jokes about the stereotypical. You know a few days in and you fail. But gosh, I think Little, little small practices here and there make other Goals easier. And I don't know about you guys, but On days where I have reading my day seems to go pretty smooth and I feel like I plan better that day. I like am able to structure my time around my reading and then I'm able to stick to my other Appointments better. I don't know, it's not that hard to like fit in reading If you love it and you make time for it. So I don't know that's just Anyone that's thinking of making a goal to read more this next year. We are in bamboo book time. I got it. I got to set those goals for us as a Community. I know as a group we're reading books together. But even on the off time I think I'm gonna make some goals for this next year to be reading other things as well.

Speaker 7:

I've kind of, I've kind of enjoyed having the book club as a crutch. I I don't read in my personal time because I've got these great books We've been reading together. But I See and follow people that are like, oh man, I'm on my 96th book this year and I'm like, geez, people really do that. People cruise through so many books and I don't know if I want to be on that level or that extreme that that feels a little Much. But if I take into account all the shows I watch and movies, man, I like that's really not Unrealistic. Is that sir Edward that popped in Nice? We'll see if he's busy and no pressure. I know he's out saving the world, writing novels, starting tokens. I am always, always impressed and I'll always Brown nose. I apologize. My friends, edward, how are you doing? My good sir, I appreciate you being here, but as always, we know you're a busy man, so don't ever feel pressured, my friend.

Speaker 8:

No worries, no, but Caitlyn just came into the house got me an early kids Christmas gifts, which is so awesome. I got this really nice clone, one in a million. I was like, oh man, so Sorry for delay, but yeah, it was awesome. But how's everyone doing?

Speaker 7:

Christmas is coming around Doing wonderful, wonderful to hear your, your happy Voice. That's amazing. You got an early Christmas present. Now, what? What did you say? It was I wanted a million, what the clones called one in a million.

Speaker 8:

But it's like one of those, really like nice bougie clones from Sephora apparently, oh.

Speaker 7:

Oh, hell, yeah, oh, like a like a scented cologne. I thought you were saying clone, like a copy of it, like a like a clone, but you're saying cologne like, yeah, so from Newfoundland, so cologne and clone, so kind of the same. So you can be smelling nice oh.

Speaker 8:

Either that are gonna be another version of me. I don't know.

Speaker 7:

Now, have you tried it, have you spritzed yourself and do you feel like a new man, like Kate was like oh god, I still smell it.

Speaker 8:

She even told them at the stores that. The woman was like do you want to just be able to smell him yourself, or everyone? And Kate was like I want everyone. Oh man, it's nice, it's like a warm spice. It's like a warm spice.

Speaker 7:

Ooh, that sounds pleasant and nice for the season. It sounds like there's got to be like seasonal etiquette with colognes, if you're really into it, right.

Speaker 8:

Really though? Hey, no, but it was really nice and I was very surprised. So it was a nice little gift, yeah.

Speaker 7:

Oh, that's great Kicking off.

Speaker 8:

Kicking off the holidays right, that's great Lucky man, that's called one in a million or one million, but it's Royale. Oh, that sounds nice. Anyways, I heard you guys talking about me. My ears got really warm.

Speaker 7:

Yeah, everyone, everyone, stop talking shit now he's here, he's here.

Speaker 8:

Motherfuckers talking about me.

Speaker 7:

No, I was just telling everyone that. You know, I read through a hundred pages and I just breezed through it. I like these shorter chapters. There's like a mental hack, so to speak. It just helps me fly through them. I don't know I got through a hundred pages this time and I was like what? No way I couldn't have read it Like it didn't feel like a hundred pages. It was quick, a lot happened. It kept bouncing from thing to thing.

Speaker 7:

Man, we're all over the place with the time and space continuum and people are meeting their past selves Like there was a lot going on. You continue to add new aspects to the very difficult equation that we're dealing with here and I'm quite impressed how, you know, you think about all the different options of how we got here as humans. And oh, by the way, I kind of like how you're talking about how humans kind of suck and I don't know. Like there's little parts where you know you really agree with that. I just watched this movie also with Julia Roberts, new on Netflix, and it's like she just hates people and she wants to get out of the city, and that was on my mind too and I was like, man, people can be the worst. You know, like people really can be the worst, and what I really enjoyed about my reading experience this time is I absolutely agreed with it and at the same time, I'm just like at the same time, people are the best. You know what I mean. Like there are awesome people and like no way would I ever be on the side of like yeah, let's just wipe humans out, because we fucking are terrible and we can't seem to get along and we're always going to be at war and like, but I don't know there's this small little glimpse of hope that I've met enough wonderful people in this life that it's like no bro, no way are we going to just wipe out humans and start all over? And like I don't care if mothers feel that or if it's Luna or whoever. Like there's there are some good humans and like it's worth fighting for. And as much as there's big parts of me that really can get hung up on that, on how much like humanity sucks there's, there's that just like no man, it's not a, it's you can't, it's not a complete like humans don't suck. There are some really sucky humans, though, and you can't label the whole that way. So I don't know.

Speaker 7:

I had some really fun like deep thoughts with this reading as I was going through it, and so I'm not bored by the story, I'm not bored by the length, I'm really still caught up in it and you know I guess I could talk about details. We talked about Luna. Diana is Luna is Diana. That was a big thing. There's some other big events, but I just wanted to kind of share that.

Speaker 7:

First off about my reading this time is like you, you're talking about really deep stuff here. If we're thinking about it, this is pretty sacrilegious. If, like, you're trying to really tell someone this is what you believe, and like it's going against a lot of religious concepts and a lot of notions out there that people really hold tight to be true, and you're really making it possible for this wild fictional quote, unquote, quote, unquote truth of a parasite, you know, being attached to a host that was kind of an octopus and they grew, and like the truth about humans and evolution and like it's a wild, wild tale. But it's like so is every other one of the tales, so is every other one of them. You know what I mean. You're getting away with it in my mind of like, okay, now does science agree with it? Well, science doesn't agree with any of them. So, like you can, you can go down this route of like belief and where did humans come from? And you can really like tie it into a lot of pretty awesome categories where I think you can kind of get a little bit of a rise out of people and you can also make it a little like controversial, but at the same time, like not because it's so out there.

Speaker 7:

And if anyone takes this, I don't know, it's great, I love it. I'm just, I really, I really love how you are tying it into very real things where it's like, wow, he's, he's, he's claiming mothers in charge of evolution, Like it's, they, like the little creatures, they are the ones that came out of the water first, like what? Okay, this is cool. I just wanted to share a few kind of big thoughts about the whole, the whole thing. I've really enjoyed it. So there's kind of my opening thought ramble Edward, what are your thoughts on where we're at in this part of the book? Or might man? What about you? Let's hear from you, my fellow co-host, thanks for hopping up here. Oh, I'm bored with the book.

Speaker 10:

I'm just kidding, no, I, I, I breezed through it too, like I. I'm the same way you are Once I once I see those small chapters and I see the next chapter on the next page, like I just keep going and going. I didn't really want to stop reading but I forced myself to stop so I wouldn't be too far ahead and spoiling everything. But no, it's good. Um, yeah, I'm, I'm excited to see how it ends because it's all kind of ramping up and I'm a little thrown off too by the Sophia meeting her past self and that whole storyline. And, um, yeah, luna's really screwing with her head. So it'll be interesting to see where that ends up. But I like it. I like how it's all weaving together and building up to the big conclusion.

Speaker 7:

Do you have any? Uh, I know you're never, uh, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not much of the the theory guy or anything like that. We're getting some answers though here towards the end. Do you do you have any? Like still like what? What the heck is going on here? Questions? Uh, because we're all over the place and Edward has done a really kind of good job of making this feel like a bit of a trip and it's like we're getting tossed around and and the characters are all feeling that too and they're meeting their past selves and there is some opportunity for confusion here. I will be the first to admit that I I'm not completely like aware of wait a minute past self this and that like are you feeling that at all?

Speaker 10:

Yeah, I think a little bit with the whole Sophia and Caleb thing, um that whole storyline where she's meeting her future self, past self, I don't know, different alternate reality self. I don't know what it is yet, but um, yeah, I think that throws me a little bit, but not enough that it takes me out of the story, like I'm curious to see what the explanation for it is. But other than it seems like Luna is able to to. I don't know if she's just messing with her minds and putting that image into their heads, but we got some of that story before Sophia's younger self went and interacted with them. So it makes me think it's like alternate realities or something, because the the storylines I guess did change a little bit. You know who Dr Michaels was and and their timeline versus our Sophia's timeline and you know characters like that were a little bit different. So I guess I would think it's more alternate realities.

Speaker 7:

Yeah, he's got. He's got some real Rick and Morty stuff going on right now with trying to keep track of who's who. I wonder if he's going to introduce even more alternate realities or I don't know ever. What are you wanting us to feel right now as an author? Are you trying to? Because you know, uh, the characters themselves are a little confused. They're like whoa, it feels like they're getting like pulled, and the way you're writing it, it's like all of a sudden they're here and like they're just trying to grasp the last scene and Caleb is all of a sudden in a new, a new spot and new time and like, are you trying to? Is it supposed to feel a bit like a trip of sorts? And like confuse us too, to feel I don't know what, what? What is the goal with uh tossing us around like this Are? Am I supposed to be confused or am I just a terrible reader? You're doing a good job of like uh, helping me feel a little lost.

Speaker 8:

I think the third act really needed to emphasize something that I've been trying to like explain through the start of the story, that I don't really want to give away, but it's all been kind of like emphasized even from the beginning. Um, it was small at first, people, and I'll let you guys know, throughout the story, um, once we actually finish it.

Speaker 8:

But it it it's a gradual to the end sort of thing. Like everything was kind of like after I had wrote the whole story and my madness kind of cleared, uh, and I was starting to put the story together, um, I added tidbits throughout the whole um book to kind of like imply something that's happening. Um, I I don't know if it will work in the end, like I'm thinking, I'm hoping it does, I hope it'll blow your minds, um, but it's all kind of been implied right from the beginning that something's not right. Um, and I also wanted to open up the idea of um maybe even having a sequel, a direct sequel, to this book before I came up with the plan that I have now. Um, so there was always going to be a direct sequel.

Speaker 8:

Um, when I have actually had planned to do it was hopefully like five or six books down the road and then just do it. But now I'm thinking about tying all the books together. So, um, yeah, when, when I did this, it was more to um kind of just emphasize, like especially Winner's Eve. I mean, if you read the first chapter now going back, you kind of realized that I've been like peppering the whole story from the beginning about everything, so I kind of did the same thing with this as well, and every chapter adds a little bit more to it. Um, but I also like to deviate sometimes from the story because I don't want people to remember the little things I've added. If that makes sense, I don't know. I didn't expect the book to be as long. I just wanted to do something really interesting and ambitious, and this this is the end result. Just this crazed man.

Speaker 7:

That's wonderful. That's perfect for for my style. I like this craziness, bro. And uh, I, I have a feeling that I I'm just not grasped. I'm not. I feel, I feel like you're going to surprise me and uh, I don't know if, if it's just because of all of the different possibilities of what could, what could happen here, but I'm I'm not like nailing down, like okay, this is where this is going and I'm really impressed by that. And uh, I don't know, sparky, what about you Are? Are you caught up with the reading or do you feel like you've been able to grasp? Uh, you're. You're usually our, our theory guy. That is, uh, and also the retention guy as far as what's going on in the store. You and DAP are are great at that as well. Uh, what do you guys have any theories on what's going on? Or where are you guys at?

Speaker 6:

Uh, I wasn't able to catch up again. Um, it's just been a lot of a lot of craziness, um, with my son being sick over the weekend and now I'm getting sick and dealing with everything else going on. Uh, it's just, it's been hard. I I read it like maybe 40 pages today, but, yeah, I had other stuff I had to deal with throughout the day that ate up a lot of time and had to call uh, my, my mortgage department and deal with some stuff there and, um, dealt with some absolute nonsense. Today I also had a good day overall, but, uh, just a lot of stuff that that, like I said last week, uh just seems to keep coming up. That is cutting into me being able to sit down and actually read Um, but the other thing too, is it just and again, like I said, I said this last week and with what you guys are saying, it, it just feels like he keeps adding more and more plot lines to the, to the story, more and more things that are just making it more and more complex and convoluted and it it's getting to a point where, like even where I'm at now, um, you know, trying to read the whole Diana thing that was that has more purpose than some of the other stuff, but it just kind of feels like adding more just to fill the void, like to eat up time, as opposed to sticking to the main story and the main plot line. It's. It's adding like like time travel or or alternate realities, like just doesn't really vibe with the rest of what was going on and um it's it's just feeling kind of out of place now that the alternate reality stuff that you're talking about could very well be, you know, more um manipulation like reality manipulation that we've we've uh seen before that um Diana has done Um, I mean, I'm assuming Diana at this point, when you guys have said Diana um through you know her mental projection of things, being able to manipulate people and basically tell them what to do and and whatever um as Luna or whoever you want to um portray it as. So it it could be just another um fake reality like the the um baby housing, uh with Sophia and Caleb and their, their daughter or whatever Um, even though that was a dream. It's all kind of like fake mental projection sort of stuff um to try and, I guess, create confusion in the characters. But again, it's it's just adding more and more complexity to like a book.

Speaker 6:

Now, if this was over the course of several novels, then I could understand stuff like that where you have different plot lines, but it's it's getting the point where it's like, if you remember, lost in any way, where, you know, in the first season we had this mysterious noise monster in the in the forest and nobody knew what it was. Um, and then we find out it's some smoke monster, and then we find out it's. It's like one of the original inhabitants of the island went into a cave and became a smoke monster and uh, and then, you know, we went through all this time, travel stuff, through this, this series, and like it just got way more complex than people being lost on an island and trying to deal with uh, that, um, and they and they just kept adding more and more crap and con, like convoluting it to the point where, uh, people were getting turned off by, uh, the later seasons because it was just too too much to kind of follow. Okay, well, now they're in 19, like 60 or whatever. And okay, now these people are in 2000 or whatever. Like it's just it was adding too much for for, like chaos sake almost, and that's kind of the vibe that I'm sensing from what you guys are describing as what's going on in these chapters.

Speaker 6:

Um, and even with what I'm, I'm kind of reading some of the stuff that I'm going through, like, like I mentioned with, uh, um, daryl, like Daryl could have been a completely lessened part. Um, there's a lot of stuff that is just overdone and over embellished, that it's just excessive and it's kind of taking away from the main plot, the main story, and it's unfortunate because there is a good story and there is a good writing style here. But it's like I said before, it's just, you know, it's having more and more gotcha moments to try and confuse the reader or fuck with the reader more, and it just gets to a point where, like, I'm not prioritizing my reading because of it you know what I mean Like it's not that I'm getting confused with it, I'm not enjoying it as much. Even if you want to call it an excuse, I'm taking the excuse of focusing on everything else that I need to be focusing on rather than reading the book. I mean, it doesn't help that I'm tired and all that stuff too, but whatever, it is what it is.

Speaker 6:

I don't know, maybe wise, you guys are farther ahead than I am, a lot of stuff that I don't know has happened. I'm just hearing it through the grapevine, through you guys. I don't know. Maybe Claire isn't like we said in the beginning. We're now saying that Diana is, maybe Diana is actually Claire and we're having another projection sort of thing that there's a Diana but Claire is actually Diana. I don't know. Like I said, he's got a good substance to a lot of the story, but it just gets getting to a point, to some degree, that it's too much. We're adding too much and I don't know what else to say. I'm just kind of rambling and repeating myself.

Speaker 7:

Do you think a smaller, shorter book, less pages, cut some chapters out. Is that something that you would like to see happen if that were a possibility, or how do you feel about that, edward?

Speaker 8:

Yeah, for sure. I mean at the end of the day, I mean Sparky doesn't enjoy it, but you might manner. So it's all a matter of opinion at the end of the day and I totally get that. It'd be different I guess, if you know, I don't even know how to explain it. I think I just really enjoyed writing this because more so for the characters and the development there than so much Like it was characters first then story second for me this time around.

Speaker 6:

So I think I just enjoyed it more, developing the characters and then the story kind of just went where it went, you know and that's kind of what I'm saying to some degrees is that there is a main plot to the story At least it feels like there should be some main plot to the story, but it's going on and on and going down completely different rabbit holes and you're starting to get that feeling that it doesn't have a main plot, like it doesn't have a main story, that this is the crescendo, this is what we're getting to the end of it. All is this main point? And it just kind of feels like we're kind of zigzagging to try and figure out what that main point is, as opposed to having, you know, a clear, linear story to that point. And all the zigzagging is just diverging onto different stories and different things, which would make sense again if it was an episodic story with different like, let's say, a comic book or something along those lines. But when you're dealing with like a novel, you know there's beginning, middle and end and we're kind of getting to a point where it's like there's there's a beginning and then there's 17 different middles and then they don't really all line up with the end, but one of them finally does I don't know because the way I haven't gotten to the end, but maybe even at that point the end is like completely different than where it should be in terms of how the story started.

Speaker 6:

You know, like there there is some predictability with stories and that's how people are able to kind of predict where things are going and what the outcomes are going to be and that sort of stuff. And you know, trying to deviate from that is good, but it's good if it's done in a way that is unpredictable, that fits with the story overall. When you start doing stuff that just kind of deviates and doesn't really fit it, just kind of I don't know. Like you're going through all this cult stuff and then all of a sudden there's time travel stuff and then like it just I don't know. It's like pick a lane and stick to it, sort of thing. You know what I mean.

Speaker 8:

Yeah, no, I get that. You really save that till you finish the book and then because, like you're not even you know, at the part where everyone's at, so you don't really know, like, what's happening but what you're hearing, do you know what I mean? So, like maybe at the end of the book, tell me if. I did you know Rob, does that make sense?

Speaker 6:

Yeah.

Speaker 8:

Yeah, because right now, like and like, I get it though because, like you're reading it and obviously, if you weren't reading this, you probably would have put it down. So, yeah, I obviously need to retain the attention of the authors, like the readers as well, so maybe that's something I need to look into as well.

Speaker 6:

I'm not saying you have to like cut this book apart and redo it and whatever. I'm just like you know future kind of story writing. It's it's and you know I'm not an expert in any way, just you read a bunch of books in my life. I don't really know how to write a story myself, but there's there's like structures that is typically involved with that sort of stuff, and it just kind of falls apart when there is no structure.

Speaker 7:

So I think I think I'm okay with character stuff Me personally Okay, this is going to sound silly and, edward, I don't want to disrespect your, your, your genre or or what you're after or anything with what I'm about to say, and I don't want to like compare it to something and you're like, damn it, why'd you compare my stuff to that? But okay, vampire stuff, I love vampire stuff and honestly I'm not saying this because I'm a dude and I like I can't like Twilight, but that's the only like vampire stuff I haven't really gotten into. I've watched them all and it just wasn't Like enough or like violent enough or like whatever I love about vampire stuff that I just couldn't get into. Like, then you take vampire diaries, or there there's a couple other vampire shows, but I love how it dives like into history and like a hundred years ago and they're a part of like some you know, war going on and then a hundred years before that and then rewind even 500 years before that and they're in like some medieval town and they're a part of like some big historical event. Like I think I like personally, I and you guys can, you know, go back to all of our spaces and listen to my takes. I'm very bad at the structure stuff. I think that's why I've really I enjoy Sparky's takes. He does have good structure and he's able to retain all the facts and the characters and the names and this is what happened and this is, I think, what this means will happen, like I really enjoy kind of getting lost in the stories and the love stories. I'm such a I'm such a like rom-com guy and I think this, this book and this story, it does lend to a really cool series.

Speaker 7:

I could envision this being turned into like a season and like a 10 episode season, but I do have a hard time seeing how you could fit it into a two hour movie. You know, I think, looking at it like that, there might be some difficulty in making this concise down to a quick one hour and 20 to two hour movie version. It would probably need, you know, a couple, a couple parts, and so I don't know if, if maybe that's what we're accustomed to also and kind of how our minds have been trained with length of feature films, length of episodes. I even know that you know, there's even like the 22 minute format for sitcoms, and all based on television and ads, and so I even think our attention span with different social media trains us to be accustomed to different things. So I think maybe that could. That could maybe lend itself towards more more binge worthy reading for for a certain different category or demographic of people that do like the structure and want to. You know, I do see where Sparky's coming from because I don't know if I'm biased with the book club or that I really like you, edward, I'm definitely not a yes man but, like I really like this stuff, but I'm not I am not like trained on proper structure of of this or that or proper length. What will sell in a bookstore, what will attract this demographic and get you sales and produce a number one bestseller on? You know, are there certain quote unquote rules that will lend to this or that? So I can see where Sparky's going with with that and the length and the characters.

Speaker 7:

But I'll I'll be honest, like man, I'll watch. I'll watch a series and I even like how you were talking about lost man. I I didn't really even think about how messy that show was until I started to hear people like you were just now giving giving a really good criticism of the show and I I started to think about. I'm like oh my gosh, yeah, these people are absolutely right. That show turned into a mess. I just kept watching it, though, and like so I, I'm a really bad one to to get a take from. I'm like, is this what other people would like? I think that was a good response from you, edward.

Speaker 7:

Also, just like well, maybe there isn't a crowd out there that doesn't mind this, and that's that's really me, man, I'll, I'll read through, I read through, don't key, okay, for heaven's sake, you know. So I, I like the challenge. Maybe that's what will bias me also. I'll take a book like this and I'll just be like oh man, that's a big book, and halfway through I'll I'll feel the challenge of it and like force myself to like it more. I don't know, it's a, it's a fun, and I'm not. I'm not even saying that, I'm just I'm pondering out loud right now, edward.

Speaker 7:

So me personally you heard my my take from the beginning is just like I like all this nonsense, I like the, the distractions, and maybe there's a, maybe there's a good balance of structuring it and maybe splitting it into different but, but that's kind of where you do. You do have it structured into basically four books. The parts are separate books in and of themselves, if you think about it. So I don't know, I think it's, it's a it's not an unfair topic to be had the length of the book and if, if, it could be this or that. But yeah, I just have to say I I've really this is not a twilight for me.

Speaker 7:

This is like all the other vampire stuff where I'm just like super into it and I love it. I love the, the history going back in time, feeling a little bit confused, just like what's going to happen. I want the season finale and all all like go through a show and just be like six, seven episodes deep and I'm just like I'm committed now I'm going to. I got to finish, I got to find out what's happening. I just love what to find out what's happening also too.

Speaker 7:

So I I'm definitely kind of an easy audience. If you share a story with me, I'll just love the shit out of it. I love stories and I love people's imagination. So I don't know if I'm being too nice or too biased, but man, I really feel like if this were written by a stranger, I'd still just be like man, this is. I'm pretty into this. I'm excited to find out what happens, but at the same time, I do see where Sparky's coming from. So yeah, good, good thoughts. And might, man, I see you unmuted. Please take the mic from me. I'm talking too much.

Speaker 10:

Yeah. So I think I'm a lot like you, lane. If you put get me started on a story, I'm gonna want to finish it, regardless of where it goes. I definitely see Sparky's point because I think there's a benefit to narrowing down the focus of a book to a central storyline and then branching off the other storylines into other books. Like it, right or wrong, I think we are conditioned that way because that's what a lot of stories do, and you have to kind of cater to where the society is right now.

Speaker 10:

In my opinion again, I'm also not an expert like Sparky, but you kind of got to know who your audience is and figure out who you're going to. That being said, I feel like for me this book went really weird really fast, with tentacle monsters and all that stuff. So I'm like I'm here for every rabbit hole. Go ahead and take me down them and I'll read every one of them. So to me it doesn't feel out of place.

Speaker 10:

But I can definitely see how some people like Sparky would, you know, maybe give up on the book if life gets a little bit crazy because the storyline gets a little convoluted. Almost, I kind of think of it. It's a lot like the Marvel, mcu, the first few phases when Marvel did it really well and they had each character telling a such their own kind of storyline, but all of them had a overarching main story that they were building towards until it all came to a head, and I think it could have. You could have done that with this book and it would have been really impactful. But there again, like you said, you just got to kind of try it and see what audience you resonate with and see how it does, and some people are really going to be here for it, like Lane and I, and then some people are gonna maybe struggle with it, like Sparky. So it's kind of a little bit of a trial and error. But yeah.

Speaker 8:

I like that, because when I wrote this I didn't write it for an audience, I wrote it for myself. Mm-hmm, you know, I just wanted to write a book that had character development and just a story that is just so far-fetched that you still you kind of start believing it by how unbelievable it is. And that was that was kind of how I wanted to write it. I didn't want to follow a structure. I didn't want to follow how normal books are wrote, which is why I removed chapters. I just wanted to do something that was completely out to lunch but would make sense in the end yeah, I think it's done both ways.

Speaker 10:

Like there's authors like Brandon Sanderson who just half of his books, or his epic fantasy books, are world-building like I don't know that. Those are a very tight can. I mean, I know he's an excellent writer and his stories make sense, but there's there's a lot of filler stuff in there with the world-building, but that's what people read his books for and they really enjoy that. And then there's other books that are just very focused and just breeze through the main storyline and that's it, and there's people that are there for that. So I think there's people on both sides of the arguments that you can cater to. So it makes sense that you would write this book for you this time, and that's not necessarily how all of your books maybe are gonna go.

Speaker 8:

But yeah, I mean, like when you look at Stephen King's the geez I forget the name the strand is it called the strand? Oh my god, yeah, the stand, sorry. When you look at his book, a lot of people think his book was bloated and they thought it was like way too much. There was no need for most of the stuff and a lot of it could be taken out and there was just too much to do it. But there's a small group of people that absolutely think that's his favorite book that they wrote. So I didn't want to write this book to like get everyone to buy it and be the best seller, like. I wanted to write a book for me and something that I enjoyed and if other people like, if one other person loves it, I'm so happy with that and I know not many people are gonna like this book. It doesn't fit with the you know the standard quote-unquote book that, like, some people like.

Speaker 8:

But I don't know I just wanted to do something that felt like me, that felt different, that felt weird, that at the same time to some degree make sense. But at the end of the day it's just my fucked up thinking and when I didn't actually plan how the story was gonna be, when I just I had an ending and I had a beginning, I just went with it. Man, I made eight characters, I gave them some sort of idea what I wanted them and I just rolled with it and it was the funnest thing I've ever written, the happier that I wrote this, that I wrote Winters Eve, just because with Winters Eve I had it so scheduled, so like exactly what everything need to be done, like everything had a purpose in that story, even if it didn't make sense to some people, it all had a purpose. But with this book there's just a lot of different and it's just it's like a complete 180 from Winters Eve and I think that's why I enjoyed so much.

Speaker 10:

I feel like Winters Eve was a lot more focused on the, the storyline too, and I I think I actually enjoyed this book better than Winters Eve, like I liked both, but I enjoyed this one and all the rabbit holes we've gone down on this one, so there again it's just you know, some people are gonna dig in, some people aren't so yeah, like I like the chaos of this book.

Speaker 8:

I like how nothing is really a hundred percent predictable, even when you think you know what's gonna happen. A lot of times you don't, and I like the idea of doing that. I like the idea of throwing people for a loop and trolling people. Basically that's how I felt like this is one big troll and I love it. But like I totally get like Sparky's side of things and the book I'm writing now. I feel like it's gonna be a little bit more, you know, story-driven focused with character development, like, but it's not gonna be as insane as this one and I think I do feel like I need to stick to an actual like what Sparky said.

Speaker 7:

I do need to stick to an actual like plot it's kind of fun to think in the grand scheme of things. You know, 30, 40 years from now, you have this collection of books you've written and a fan comes across your stuff, they read something recent and then they go down the the Edward Rabbit Hall and they're like, holy crap, this guy has a book 700 pages long yes, treasure, and they it's like special to them because it's one of your early works and it come to find out it's your favorite. Like this, this is like one of those. Yeah, that's really cool information.

Speaker 7:

To hear your perspective and to hear that you were happy writing it like that that, I think, does help push my bias of why I do like your stories. I'm not gonna lie, I love hearing that shit but, like I, I think that's really cool for, like your, your story, this is a really cool, you know, inspiration for the future stories. Like for you to have done something that you loved, for you, that helped maintain or even like propel or turn it into exponential inspiration. You know that's that's really powerful and I don't know I love that. I really am gonna stick to it though that it I don't just like this because it's you. I almost have a hard time believing you wrote this, bro, like it's.

Speaker 8:

It's really that clever, like that's a plot twist, you find out.

Speaker 7:

Like no disrespect to you. You're an extremely intelligent person, you're extremely witty, you're funny, you're you're cool. You've got a cool personal story. Everything like lends to like this being believable. But when.

Speaker 7:

I'm reading through it. I'm just like, damn, edwards got ideas up in his head. How many video games have you played? And it's like I maybe that's me stuck in my my little upbringing and being in whatever little bubble I was in. But like now that I'm older I really I look at like my friend Jesse, who like literally grew up in a gang and he loves magic, the gathering cards and he's he loves books and he's the smartest MF or I've ever met and it's like you'd never ever guess it. Just like he's into like Dungeons Dragons type shit. It's it just and the things, the ideas he says it's just like, holy crap, you're into some fun stuff.

Speaker 7:

Why why did I miss like that chapter of like comics and Dungeons Dragons and like I don't know? I really missed out on like a really cool smart people crowd where that, these stories, that's where I like video games. Like you and Dap talk about the video games and some of the inspiration, so I don't know. That's where my mind goes. It's just like man Edward has a lot of cool storytelling up in his head and wherever it came from, whatever ideas like yeah, you're mixing it with with science and different belief systems and like that's. That's a very like well read, slash, well versed human that has a lot of exposure to either a lot of multimedia or video games or comic books, or like a lot of different storytelling where you don't you I don't know you can tell you you've got ideas in your brain. So that's kind of where, where I go when I'm reading your stuff and I really am impressed. And then I also think about the editing of this one and how bad I feel for your editor, because this would be a job, yeah, really well done to your editor and I have caught just a few little typos here and there, but, gosh, just tremendous work from the both of you. So I, I really I love that this was a fun one for you, I can tell.

Speaker 7:

And when I say it feels like a trip, like I've, I've experimented and really it's, you're doing a great job of like tossing me around and making me feel a little uneasy and like, oh, I got a grasp the ground and hold on to something. I don't know where I'm at, you know, I don't know. I really like that feeling. So I, I do appreciate the chaos, so it's a fun conversation. I don't mean to stick on that and I don't, I don't mean to make sparky or you feel like I'm picking on you, but yeah, it's a fun conversation because I almost with other stories I'm just like, oh man, I wish they'd kind of give me some a little more nonsense. I like that stuff. I like feeling confused, I like feeling thrown off, so, but I don't know, I'm also a pretty easy crowd. I like, I just like, and I marvel at people and I think about the author behind it. I'm just like, man, good stuff.

Speaker 7:

And I wanted to know here's my question of the night is if DAP is going to join your cult and Edward, are you, are you confident enough with the doctrine and the, the quote-unquote, you know blueprint of this cult where you could? You know what, if we experimented and tried to actually throw Edward out into the wild with this story and you know, maybe by a little town, by the sea, and we could, we could pull a bit, we could pull a cult. You guys, let's start a real cult. I know you've, you've talked about that, edward. No, I'm just joking, you guys, I'm just joking. But yeah, dap, are you gonna join his cult?

Speaker 4:

well, I don't like the color red that much more of a green person, so we did that. Maybe I think I'd be on board drink green Kool-aid DAP.

Speaker 10:

Come on, it's gotta be red.

Speaker 4:

But you just asked me questions about joining a cult he's like well, what's the color scheme?

Speaker 7:

is there a logo?

Speaker 8:

yeah, what's the proper element used for this and if it's not the colors I I want, I'm not joining yeah, all.

Speaker 4:

It's kind of like, you know, like old-school gang, like like you replace Starcraft and then you're like damn it, that color's taken where you play a mungus and you're like, fuck this lobby, I can't be that color, and you go to different one. I'm sure some people have done that before, definitely. But I see green rose maybe blend in. Be like kind of camouflage here, something. Do like a low-key green and natural green. Be a lot better than you know blood splatter and freakiness. Be a I get the blood. We'd be cool. Green blood, yeah, yeah, why isn't it green blood, since she's like not from from here?

Speaker 8:

everything comes from mother yeah did anyone see the trailer I have above?

Speaker 7:

bro, I wanted to know was that some stock footage or was that AI footage?

Speaker 8:

that happens.

Speaker 7:

I was there wait, what wait, what the like rundown hospital footage nice. I was gonna say, bro, that was some good stuff. If someone pulled that out with AI, I was like what? This is some really. What are they using that? So yeah, that's stock footage. That was great, bro. Who did that?

Speaker 8:

his name is love cat. Like he's been designing a lot of our trailers and stuff. He's actually into like movie production and stuff like that, so he does a lot of anything all that and yeah, he's just been making videos for us and stuff. It's just been cool. It's been a really cool treat to see all that. Like I told him kind of like how I wanted it and stuff the kind of idea. I mean, obviously you hear that song and their BB theme from one of my favorite games and yeah, like he just put it all together and it just it's fit so nicely.

Speaker 8:

Got the silent Hill, that's the siren going off, so cool. Yeah, one of my favorite videos he's done so far it was just really cool yeah, I'm impressed, so my only regret right now is that we didn't read one more chapter. I was looking at it I was like, oh, you guys would be shitting your pants and talking about it and something else you guys haven't talked about the fact that Morgan is the mother of Sophia. How come you guys haven't?

Speaker 7:

yeah, I was just gonna bring that up. I saw that coming. Yeah, you brought the mother video into conversation.

Speaker 7:

I was like, oh man, there's a few things that I wanted to bring up from the reading yeah that's the mother daughter thing, and and then I also wanted to know before that was revealed it sounded like Morgan wanted to tell her. But here here's my question isn't someone pregnant, and was that pre? Was Sophia pregnant and was that someone put a weird creature inside of her? So it's not Caleb's, that was my question always Caleb's yeah yeah, I thought, it was.

Speaker 6:

Caleb's yeah, funny thing is the part that I just read right now about the adoption and all that stuff of Sophia made me think, okay, so Sophia is Morgan's daughter, so it's, it's quite funny that you just mentioned right now. Obviously I'm not at that point, but I read about the adoption and she was three months old and you know, we have a picture of Morgan with the baby and it's quite, quite funny, because that was literally going through. My head is like oh so Sophia is Morgan's baby, that's funny.

Speaker 8:

So yeah, sophia is the daughter of a demigod.

Speaker 4:

That's interesting.

Speaker 8:

Yeah, I guess, dap, you haven't caught up.

Speaker 4:

No, but yeah, so it's been a challenge.

Speaker 8:

But yeah, I figured people would have caught on that a bit sooner. But yeah, it's kind of been hinted at throughout the whole book that Morgan had a baby. They've had all this stuff up everywhere about Morgan's baby and no one really put the two together. I'm actually kind of impressed. I thought Sparky would have told me by now. But I guess where he hasn't caught up to ruin the book, which is kind of great actually, because now we can ruin it for him.

Speaker 6:

No, it doesn't really ruin it because, like this just now, where you said that just confirms stuff, that I thought there's some stuff that obviously is not what I thought at the current time where you guys are, but with this it's like, yeah, I totally had that vibe when we started talking about the baby stuff and there's one of the kids is going to be hers, or they're all going to be hers because she's had multiple kids, assumingly over the years, or it's when we figure out who the adopted kid is, it's her. So the fact that she was with these grandparents and then her real parents died in a car crash, it just it all. It's like you said, it all leads to that conclusion and it got to that point for me, literally at the chapter that I'm at now, which is reading about the chapters that I read, reading about her adoption and her being amongst cult followers as well. That's like, yeah, that's, why else would she be a cult followers who all commit suicide?

Speaker 8:

So yeah, Sophia is a daughter of Lord.

Speaker 10:

So I'm going to leave and finish this book for Wednesday.

Speaker 8:

Yeah, wait, man, come back to me after you read this chapter.

Speaker 10:

I will do that. It's one chapter. I almost read it. I'm going to read the last thing.

Speaker 7:

My man are you. Are you planning on finishing the whole thing?

Speaker 10:

I mean probably.

Speaker 8:

I mean honestly, there's not that whole, there's not a whole lot left. Yeah.

Speaker 10:

I think when I start, I will be able to stop it that close to the end. Yeah, we might as well. How do you know?

Speaker 8:

about that there's only a hundred pages left to the book, but do you need to have the space? Yeah, do you need to have the space Wednesday, or can you have it Thursday?

Speaker 7:

If you need it Thursday, we can do it Thursday.

Speaker 8:

I just think like where there's a hundred pages left, or a little less than a hundred pages, or a little more, I can't remember. It might be better to do it Wednesday or Thursday. I mean sorry, just do it Thursday.

Speaker 7:

I'm okay with that. Anyone else have any issues with the Thursday?

Speaker 6:

I mean, if it's a hundred pages, you could go five days and push it to Saturday, Friday or Saturday.

Speaker 8:

See, I'm off Wednesday and Thursday and then I'm working all evenings and I don't know, sometimes I'm put in a place where I can't really discuss and I'd really like to actually sit down and discuss this. So Thursday is the only day off I have, unless and then I'm driving and all this stuff next week.

Speaker 10:

Yeah there's this with us and finishing it, though I mean, is it is Ryan. Are you with us, ryan? I will, I'm still behind.

Speaker 5:

I'm probably like a few days behind you, but I'll get there.

Speaker 10:

So I don't know if a day makes any difference. It wouldn't make a difference for me no, Either way works for me, so I don't want to have a preference.

Speaker 8:

That's what I was thinking. We could either do it Wednesday or we can do it Thursday. Give everyone else a chance to catch up if they can, and we'll just plow through it and do it Thursday. If you read like 50 pages a night, you got this. I think it's a quick read. Honestly, especially when you start getting into the end of it and wanting to finish it, you almost start making time. But yeah, I'm super busy next week and we're about 100 and so pages left. I think maybe we should just do it Thursday, finish it off.

Speaker 7:

That's good for me. I can make Thursday happen this week.

Speaker 8:

Yeah, but Mike man, once you finish this chapter, let me shoot me a message.

Speaker 10:

I'll do that tomorrow, yeah for sure, or anybody.

Speaker 8:

I was like God. Why did I wait till the last? I should have looked at and see what the chapter ended All right, I will catch you guys Thursday then. All right brother.

Speaker 7:

Yeah.

Speaker 8:

Thanks, mike man. Sorry, I had to send him off.

Speaker 7:

That was a great message we haven't heard from Breezy. Breezy, are you there with us? What's her? I catch Breezy sleeping sometimes. I got to do it. Breezy, if you hear us in your dreams right now, what do you guys think Breezy's doing right now? No, I'm just joking. We won't pick on Breezy while he's not listening. Well, I'm excited to finish the book. Edward, I'm glad you've given me permission to rock it till the end. I am feeling lost, so I need some answers, and this is going to be great, feel free.

Speaker 8:

If you finish this sooner, feel free, but we'll have a chat. I'm off Wednesday as well. We can talk about it and stuff, if you want to.

Speaker 7:

Okay, we'll do. I'll let you know when we finish it.

Speaker 8:

Yeah, for sure that goes with anyone. If you guys have questions or anything, just always shoot me a message. You might forget it when we come to do the actual book club. So shoot me a message as soon as you're inquisiting about something. Inquire, I'm sorry.

Speaker 7:

Okay, awesome, awesome, awesome. You've got a David Castain Forbes list. Thank you, david Castain Forbes list. How are you doing? Should we bring David Castain up here and see what's going on?

Speaker 6:

The last time I saw him in a space, he came up on stage and didn't say anything the entire time he was up on stage. You're welcome to bring him up. I just don't know if he's actually going to say anything or if he's even the person he says he is. I have no idea. Like I said, I'm just going based off of the last space that I saw him in. He came on stage, didn't say anything and just sat there the whole time.

Speaker 7:

Let's give him a shot.

Speaker 4:

He just followed me.

Speaker 7:

Let's give him a shot, David. He's throwing emojis. I'm a real person.

Speaker 5:

I'm David. I'm a real person.

Speaker 7:

I'm David Castain. I'm David Castain. I'm on the Forbes list. I'm glad to be here. Sorry that Sparky thinks I'm not a real person.

Speaker 6:

I'm just saying the experience that I had the last time you were on stage.

Speaker 9:

They were calling you out. Hopefully, this time you'll have a better experience. Maybe you can join my community.

Speaker 7:

Very cool. Nice to have you here, david. We do a book club. We talk about books we're reading, so we're just wrapping up the space tonight. Feel free to come on through. We usually do them Mondays and Wednesdays. This next Thursday is going to be the time for our next space, though, so we'll be finishing up the book that we've been reading. It's been awesome, so great, to have you here. Hopefully we can catch you on some more spaces in the future. And yeah, we've got Solana people up in here.

Speaker 9:

Oh yeah, I love reading books, so I'll definitely tap in, and I'm definitely a Solana NFT guy, so feel free to DM me any skills that are Solana NFTs. I love that.

Speaker 7:

That's what's up. We got books NFTs. I appreciate you guys for coming through for another bamboo book time. So Thursday it is, my friends, wednesday, not Wednesday. We're wrapping up the book. We'll start talking about the next moves. But hey, I'm excited to have one more big Keepers of the Lighthouse space. So come to Thursday's space. We'll have Edward here. Thank you for making this such an awesome, awesome experience for us, edward. It's just been a pleasure to get your thoughts behind all of these wonderful stories you've been sharing with us. So thank you so much for your talents and your crazy, crazy imagination. I sure do appreciate it. Do you have any thoughts for us as we go into the ending of the book here, my friend?

Speaker 8:

Yeah, in about 110 pages. It's about to end. Look out world. Here we come. Here we come with the end.

Speaker 7:

Okay, and this seems like a perfect opportunity almost too perfect. David came in saying show me some Solana stuff, edward. Not only do you have an NFT project on Solana, you've got a token on Solana, but you've also got the mother token on Solana. Why don't you take the opportunity to let us all know what we're missing out on and that we need to join the Colt? You're not missing out on.

Speaker 8:

Colt. Stay clear. It's not worth your time.

Speaker 4:

We can't go any lower than zero. You should just place some of the audio from the snips that you've made.

Speaker 8:

Yeah, I could. I don't really want to.

Speaker 4:

But it creeps everybody out. It is creep. I'm not going to lie.

Speaker 8:

Well, the video's up there if you want to watch it.

Speaker 4:

I feel compelled to join the Colt.

Speaker 8:

Unless it's green, I might make everyone wear green.

Speaker 7:

All right, my friends, I've had a lovely Monday. I sure am working on my sleep schedule. I'm excited to get some good sleep. I want this week to be awesome. My time to act is coming.

Speaker 5:

All for my keepers.

Speaker 8:

Jesus sounds like Luna's here.

Speaker 7:

That was terrifying. That startled me all.

Speaker 8:

Right, my friends, I've got a wheel here it reminds me of the South Park episode where he's like oh, it's just turtles.

Speaker 1:

Without sacrifice. Bring more keepers, bring more keepers.

Speaker 5:

Unity is family.

Speaker 7:

That's creepy shit. I like it all right. Who's got our number for the night?

Speaker 8:

Let's go the number that I win. I'm gonna say it's gonna be 17.

Speaker 7:

Ooh, I like 17. Here we go. Let's shuffle it up, let's turn up the volume and rock it. I.

Speaker 8:

Don't win this time, I'm going 18 next time 17, let's see.

Speaker 7:

Let's see who's gonna take it. Oh, my goodness, our man might man now, even though he dips out early, I think we gotta give a man might man a win. He's always here showing some serious Support to our authors, to our space here. I'm excited to post that win up for him and it looks like you're gonna have to go 18, edward, 18 is your win next time. I can feel it, but don't forget, I won't forget. So 18, that's the number next time. See if that's Edward His lucky number.

Speaker 7:

Clearly 17 17 went right by you. You're on the other side of the wheel, son of a bitch. Thank you for the wonderful space my friends. Good book, edward. I'm kind of sad that it's gonna be finished. To be honest, I've really been enjoying this crazy world that you've come up with here, so I Definitely will be reading your other books. You've got me hooked on your, on your crazy shenanigans here.

Speaker 7:

I like your style, I like the creativity and, from the looks of it, each book that I read is just gonna continue to get More and more polished with the editing and and your excitement level, and I just love it. So Thank you for telling us your, your Personal feelings behind stuff and what, what is special to you and everything I don't know I love. I love that too. So I appreciate your thoughts and being vulnerable. I know I say that, but it's just really courageous what you're doing here with us and it's providing awesome Book club. You know content, but just awesome content in general, and you're a courageous man. I don't think I could do this experience myself. You. You're a much more professional, well-mannered, you can take. You can take Things and, and the way you respond to things I'm just really impressed. I am not as brave or courageous or as Talented as an artist, because maybe, if I were, I'd be more willing to share my arts. Thank you, edward. I.

Speaker 8:

Wouldn't either. If you have Sparky Grylls, you're, like you know, holy Crip.

Speaker 7:

Haha, what's that being said, Sparky, would you like to wrap up our space for us tonight? Thank you, good sir. I've seen the light. I've seen the darkness on myself.

Speaker 2:

I broken loose from the chains of hell Scars. I know they're fading, but my skin still breaking. That's just the changes I Am. I am.

Speaker 3:

Oh, from the pressure when, out of my mind, woke up and I saw the sign moon in the stars on the line.

Speaker 2:

Tell me baby, would you see? I ran through if you really look to be. Scott, I know they're fading, my skin still breaking. That's just the changes. I Am Through the dark. I am, oh, from the pressure.

Speaker 3:

When, out of my mind, woke up and I saw the sign moon in the stars all the line, I have been reborn.

Speaker 2:

I have gone through hell. I am bad. I have been reborn. I have gone through hell. I am bad. And now I have been reborn. I have gone through hell.

Speaker 6:

So I brought that back to Bishop Briggs of that song with her song reborn. It Made me think a lot of you guys talking about Justin coming back to life and, you know, changing his ways and having a different mind set and all that stuff. But it also touches on just kind of what some of these characters are going through in the course of the book. Where they're they're going through their own personal development, like we saw with Maria Growing and coming out of a shell like we saw was Zeke in the beginning, before he was brutally murdered, and you know him Finally telling the girl that he loved, that he loved her, him having this, this complete change of personality to some degree. So you know, breaking down kind of the crap that they've been through to kind of Recreate themselves as a new person, to slough off the the shit that they've been through and come out of it on the other side. Obviously not all of them survive through it.

Speaker 6:

But you know we have also other issues in the in the book where people are dying and coming back to life From the blood of mother and and so it ties in with the song in that regard. You know there's there's talk of the moon and the stars aligning and we've got lots of talk about the moon. There's even parts of Burning up in a fire and Coming out stronger, which, like you know, justin went through. So you know I like Bishop Briggs. And and again, another song that I felt really fit the Fit the story.

Speaker 7:

She's got a great sound. I like her music a lot. And hey, quick reminder, I don't like to Continue after Sparky has this wonderful endings. But this time I forgot to tell you guys I will be Air-dropping a new NFT to the VIP listeners. Now I'm not gonna completely count super spaces out or anything. I'll still have hope that maybe They'll bring back the tow app and make it functional. But I just can't sit on my hands any longer for people that that get that. I'd like to have an actual NFT for all of our holders. So I know, dem Reese, I hope you're listening. I'll make sure I let you know in a message or something. But you were gonna transfer yours to a new wallet. Don't worry about that. I'll get you a new, fresh one. And then anyone else. We're just gonna do it manual style.

Speaker 7:

We'll still utilize super spaces of their data there to be able to prove that you've been in ten of our spaces. But I'm just looking and like Jay, yeah, you've got to be up at like ten spaces now I see Marilda down there. You've been in a lot of our spaces. You know Joe always shows up. There's just a bunch of you I see down there. That should probably be around the ten spaces. You're in her support and a lot. I'd love to get you guys on the wheel. So Just shoot me a DM, we'll. We'll figure out if you've got ten spaces on the super spaces stats and I'll be getting those new ones sent out.

Speaker 7:

The gas has been absurd. It's been coming down though, so I think I'm just kind of trying to eyeball the best time to shoot out all these panda cubs, get the ball rolling and Obviously, these, these VIP listener NFTs. I'll get to you guys as well. So if any of you are Close to that ten spaces, that's all you got to do to get on that VIP listeners List. So let me know and any any of you that I see are getting kind of close, I'll buggy as well and We'll get you one of those. Greatly appreciate you guys. It's only Monday. We got a nice week ahead of us. Thursday. We got book club, got some stuff to look forward to. Hope you guys have a kick-ass week. Love you guys.

Reflections on Reading and Gratitude
Themes, Confusion in Book Discussion
Complexity and Confusion in the Story
Critique of Long, Diverging Story
Debating the Length of the Book
Edward's Writing and Potential Cult
Discussion of Book Plot and Scheduling
Discussion on Solana NFTs and Tokens
Gas Prices, NFTs, Kick-Ass Week