Do you ever get lost in the labyrinth of a book's plot, only to emerge enlightened and amazed? That's exactly what we explore in our latest episode as we dig into "The Serpent's Secret". We unpack the emotional turmoil faced by our protagonist, Justin, brilliantly captured in the song "Destroyer" by Of Monsters and Men. As Justin navigates his internal conflicts and faces down his fears of hurting his friend, Caleb, he discovers new superpowers and begins to understand his role in the grand scheme of things. We also delve into the enigmatic characters of Mother and the Keepers, and the way power is manipulated in this intriguing tale.
Ever been intrigued by the concept of underground towns, or the shocking revelation of a character's true identity? We've got you covered. We rip open the secrets of the hidden town and discuss the unexpected twist that Anna is actually Luna. We even throw out a few wild theories about the identity of the imposter and possible involvement of a Morgan sister. As if that's not enough, we also touch on synthetic blood and its potential role in granting superpowers. Plus, we discuss "Edward Edward" and explore how digging deeper into characters can enrich a story.
Lastly, we don't just talk about books, we also share our own writing journeys. We dive into the joys and challenges of writing a full-length story, and if you're an aspiring author, you'll find this part particularly inspiring! To switch gears a bit, we also touch on the exciting world of NFTs, including the hotly anticipated release of the Pandemania collection and the latest developments at Super Spaces. So, whether you're an avid reader, an aspiring writer, or just love a good discussion, we've got something for you.
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Do you ever get lost in the labyrinth of a book's plot, only to emerge enlightened and amazed? That's exactly what we explore in our latest episode as we dig into "The Serpent's Secret". We unpack the emotional turmoil faced by our protagonist, Justin, brilliantly captured in the song "Destroyer" by Of Monsters and Men. As Justin navigates his internal conflicts and faces down his fears of hurting his friend, Caleb, he discovers new superpowers and begins to understand his role in the grand scheme of things. We also delve into the enigmatic characters of Mother and the Keepers, and the way power is manipulated in this intriguing tale.
Ever been intrigued by the concept of underground towns, or the shocking revelation of a character's true identity? We've got you covered. We rip open the secrets of the hidden town and discuss the unexpected twist that Anna is actually Luna. We even throw out a few wild theories about the identity of the imposter and possible involvement of a Morgan sister. As if that's not enough, we also touch on synthetic blood and its potential role in granting superpowers. Plus, we discuss "Edward Edward" and explore how digging deeper into characters can enrich a story.
Lastly, we don't just talk about books, we also share our own writing journeys. We dive into the joys and challenges of writing a full-length story, and if you're an aspiring author, you'll find this part particularly inspiring! To switch gears a bit, we also touch on the exciting world of NFTs, including the hotly anticipated release of the Pandemania collection and the latest developments at Super Spaces. So, whether you're an avid reader, an aspiring writer, or just love a good discussion, we've got something for you.
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you, you, hey, yeah, lane some co-host again. I don't know why I didn't accept what was that semi-co-host again it didn't accept.
Speaker 3:Shades and black and smee in you, oh, and I find sorrow in idle mind and solace in being heard. You better run, boy, run or be afraid. Crying boy cry from play to play. Gravity holds me down and it's aging over. Call everything old, cry out. You are a destroyer. Call everything old, cry out Elections through cloud color fumes, gravity. Let me go Until I can feel the warmth of the sun Bearing me in the glow. You better run, boy, run or be afraid. Crying boy cry from play to play. Gravity holds me down and it's aging over. Call everything old, cry out, you are a destroyer. Call everything old, cry out and it's aging over. Call everything old, cry out, you are a destroyer. Call everything old, cry out.
Speaker 4:That song was called Destroyer. It's by an Icelandic band called of Monsters and Men. I feel like that song kind of summarizes the story of Justin and him going through the turmoil of his inner demon, the snake. The beginning of the song basically starts with the lyrics of I want to be the king of my body and mind. Gravity let me go before it bruises and blackens me and you bury me in the glow. And then you better run, boy, run, but be afraid. Cry, boy, cry, don't play the game. Gravity holds me down.
Speaker 4:And it just kind of feels like it talks about the situation of where he's dealing with the gravity of him having to kill Caleb and the situation he finds himself in where he doesn't want to kill Caleb and the serpent saying I'm going to put cancer in you if you don't. So I feel like the song just kind of summarizes the turmoil that he's going through and the stuff that he's dealing with. And I mean, I've tried to catch up. I'm at about 4.35, so I'm at the chapter, I guess, where Justin dies. I haven't quite gotten there yet, but it just everything that he goes through. This song kind of felt like it summarized that storyline a bit and the pain that he's dealing with because he doesn't want to kill Caleb, but then he does, and then he ends up killing Maria and there's the whole like turmoil. He's going through with that, and so that's why I chose this song.
Speaker 5:Hey, I gotta say the book clubs always start off a little smoother and just on fire with Sparky's song intros oh man, that was great. And Sparky, oh man, with the last reading that I've done. There's some more Justin action and I gotta say I really, really like when we are given little peaks into the superpowers that these kids are coming away with. But let me just start off tonight with Edward. I'm confused, bro. You got me really confused with these last 50 pages from last Monday. I was pretty like on top of what was going on, but just these last 50 pages and I stopped. So I can't go on to like get more answers. I am stuck, really stuck right now, confused as hell. Bro. I have some questions, but let me ask you, edward, are you pretty aware of like, where I'm at with the reading and what's going on, or do you need kind of like a little recap of where I'm at and the reading?
Speaker 1:Let's get a recap for everyone for these 50 pages. How about that Lane that?
Speaker 5:sounds good. Yeah, I like that. Well, okay, so here let me just do my recap with a few questions. First of all, justin's back and he's got superpowers and it's like he can see way better and he can almost zoom in on textures. And while you were doing that, I was actually looking at my shirt and like stretching it and I was like, damn, he's right On a molecular level. I bet this is crazy. You're like looking at this stretching and giving and like the building structure of a shirt, you know, but it kind of goes into his superpowers and the serpent is no more.
Speaker 5:We've got some spoilers going on here, if you're not caught up. He realizes that he was sick, he made some really bad choices, but it's almost like he doesn't even have guilt, he's just a more supreme being and he's like feeling it. He understands things and he's getting almost a download from mother and he's like understanding from the beginning of time. I don't know that's a one question, but like he seems to understand why Leland did what she did and like he's like, oh, it all makes sense now. Justin, I think, is going to like save the day, or in his mind he thinks he is and he feels like he needs to put a stop to the keepers that these keepers have perverted. Or maybe I'm mixed up with someone else's take, but he's basically seeing it for what it is that and I forget who else's chapter Maybe it was someone else where they were describing the keepers. But the keepers have perverted the beauty of mother and they've taken her and essentially used her to become immortal demigods themselves and to essentially create more gods that can like outdo mother, even to create more immortality for themselves.
Speaker 5:Here's a few questions I have. Edward, we get a peek into Caleb seeing the hundreds of people in robes gathering, and that was crazy to think about. I was like where are all these people coming from? But we come to find out there's a secret underground town. It's like a city that's been down there for years and years and years and it's really impressive. And he had to like drive across town to get somewhere or something. It was like huge Well. That made sense with like why where all the people and are they all coming from down there?
Speaker 5:Or I get a little confused now that things are underground and in different locations and we I don't have my book in front of me. I'm outside too, so I'm going off of nothing. I'm bouncing all over the place here. Okay, another question. I don't even know if I've asked any specific questions, but we come to find out that Anna is Luna or is this a trick? But then we find out that Anna's body is like dead and like the blood's been drained out of it. Like. I'm so confused with this part right here, bro, because we were all thinking it was Claire and Claire is actually the one that's chosen to be the sacrificial person. She was like all drugged up and dragged up on this stage and then Anna like reveals herself as Luna. But I don't know. This is where I get really confused and maybe my man and Edward and anyone who's caught up to this point can help me out here. Is Anna dead? Did we read that? But is she Luna? But like, what's going on there? That's where I kind of end with like understanding what the hell is going on, bro, I really got thrown for a loop there with A few things, and I will admit I haven't done this with many of the chapters or readings, but I was kind of reading right up until karate tonight, so I didn't even have a chance to kind of go back and look it over again.
Speaker 5:It was one of those Last couple chapters where I really didn't. I should have gone back and read a little bit more. So there's my take. I don't know if I was off on any of that. Like I said, those Right before karate, and I wasn't Russian or anything. I just didn't have a chance to really kind of dive back in and look it over for any questions. How do I do? Was that? Was I Pretty close on some of that, edward?
Speaker 1:I liked it, man, it was good. I'd like to hear might man's, because I know my man's been kind of catch up to like to see what he thinks first before I dive in and maybe, if anyone else is read, just hear their opinions first.
Speaker 6:Man, I don't know what to think. Like I'm kind of with Lane on this one, but I don't. I think the real doctor and Michaels might be dead. Like I don't think the one that looks like Anna Michaels is actually her.
Speaker 5:That's my like shape shifting. We've been, we've been given into some shape shifters is. Are we just being fooled? Even Claire was. I was wondering about Claire also.
Speaker 6:I think that might actually be clear. That's on the table, but I don't. I don't think that Luna is actually Anna Michaels like. I think it's probably a shape shifter, but the hair is different to like. They said that when she took her mask off she had dark hair, so that, which again could be changed by a shape shifter, I guess, but I don't know. I just get the feeling that the real Anna Michaels is probably dead, the way Edward writes the stories, and that's my guess, but I'm not sure who the imposter is.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't know if Dapper Sparky has an opinion. I know Sparky is not up to it, but I don't know where Dapper is.
Speaker 8:I'm still playing a little bit of catch up, so Well.
Speaker 1:I kind of feel bad if you know, sparky and Deb haven't read it. But yeah, dr Ann and Michaels has been dead for quite some time. Yeah, that is 100%.
Speaker 5:Yeah, but you've said some 100% stuff in the back, in the back in the past, my friend. I don't know what to believe here anymore that is very true.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, we've read a lot of the story. There are lots of truths and there's also a lot of fiction, and it's interesting to see that even now, you guys are still questioned by everything that's happening, and I think that's the way I love about this.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I think I think Edward Stonelinger in this case, like I think she is actually has been dead for a while, because I can totally see him throwing that twist at us.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I like it. It's a good twist. It definitely was like wait, that's too easy. It's just, it's Anna, what? That's how I felt. I was like huh so.
Speaker 6:but then who would the shape shifter be? Because it seems like Luna is leading the group that is kind of taking advantage of mother's gifts and trying to circumvent mother so they can keep on living without her. And the shape shifters are actually mother's children, right? So what? I don't know why they would be going against mother in that sense. So that's what's throwing me.
Speaker 5:I can't figure out who the shape shifter would be, or whoever this imposter is, yeah, like I was wondering if it's a new character that will be introduced, and we were also given some info that a synthetic blood, mother's blood they've been trying to create it and they seem to have Given Justin, for example, his powers with this synthetic blood that they've been working on. So that was also a big revelation in this reading as well. Here's an idea what.
Speaker 6:how crazy would it be if this imposter Luna was actually a Morgan sister?
Speaker 5:Yeah, I mean, it's got to be that's. That's who I was thinking like. Do you think that Morgan is completely like? If that were the case, do you think Morgan knows anything, or she's going to be just a surprise, because we've also been given a couple little glimpses into their past together as well.
Speaker 6:I feel like Morgan doesn't know the full extent because she's been locked up for a while.
Speaker 5:Oh and speaking of which, I completely forgot this detail Morgan, like blacked out, wakes up and her dad was like a puddle of guts at, like a pile of just goo, and supposedly she killed her own father and that's why she was locked up, right, was that?
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Was that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was the reason, because, oh boy, she was able to control her powers. And just remember, I came up with this before Gen V.
Speaker 5:Okay, I was actually. I was actually going to ask you about that. Like, are you impressed if you've seen Gen V? I've seen that recently. Yeah, the girl she accidentally kills her parents in the bathroom with her blood powers which was crazy, bro.
Speaker 1:You've seen that? Yeah, and I was thinking to myself. They ripped me out. They were the keepers of the latest.
Speaker 5:Yeah, they ripped me out of the script, bro. That was incredible. Hey, you're a well well you know the, the version of TV or shows for well read, well, well watched, well, well, well-versed. Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. Have you seen that whole series?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was Wicked, I loved it.
Speaker 5:I can't wait for it. I've actually been like really thinking about that show while I've been reading this. Did you think of the same thing Like wow, this is kind of similar yeah.
Speaker 1:If I was to have this TV show and it was Gen V, I feel like it would totally fit this book and it was kind of you really creepy. How like similar there.
Speaker 5:That's awesome. Hey Breezy, he's got his hand up. What's up, breezy?
Speaker 2:So I just found it a little should I say funny how you asked Edward. He asked a friend some questions that you had and he just went like asking yo Sparky, do you know what the answer is? Yo, deb, do you know what the answer is? Cause like I'm like this nigga's cooking something and he just does not want to say anything.
Speaker 5:That's how it goes with Edward. He loves to see us fooled by his curve balls. I want to know, sparky, what do you think Because I loved your theory about Claire hearing about this that she's up on the sacrificial table. What, yeah, what do you think? Do you think we're going to get tricked here again that there's any merit to the original theory? I?
Speaker 4:think that it's his style to try and trick everybody, the constant theme of things here. It's always like what's the twist that's coming next? And it does kind of feel, like through what you guys are describing, that someone has shape-shifted someone else to look like Anna. So it's not her as Luna, someone else as Luna Claire. She may be someone else, she may not. She might be on the slab. It could all be an illusion.
Speaker 4:I feel like her other daughter, diana, is going to come into play somehow. So that is definitely something to think about, whether her daughter is Claire or if it's someone else altogether that we haven't met yet. It's weird that she would be physically different from Morgan, unless somehow she aged more, being unbound like Morgan was. So I don't know how he's going to explain that if she is actually still alive. But the other thing that I'm curious about is, with some of the stuff with the blood being able to resurrect people and heal people even after they're dead, basically, what is the stop, someone like Anna being injected with the blood or the blood used on her and bringing her back, essentially if she is dead? I don't know. I think there's some holes in that a bit there.
Speaker 6:Anna is nearly decapitated. Like she heard, her throat was slit from ear to ear, almost. So they said earlier in the book, if they're decapitated, or nearly decapitated, I believe they said they can't resurrect with mother's blood.
Speaker 8:I don't know.
Speaker 4:Luna. The descriptions in the beginning all described Claire and her being very similar, so I don't know. It could be that she's putting herself on the slab as a ruse and putting someone else in Luna's position to turn people against, like Dr Michaels, and make her also be a shapeshifter on the slab too.
Speaker 6:It might not even be clear.
Speaker 4:I don't think they're shapeshifters. I think there's someone capable of like he's spoken about this in the past that there's people that are capable of, like, altering the reality that people see, altering people's images of reality, and I think that that might be one of Diana's powers. I think in the book it said that that was part of Morgan's powers as well, but I do remember him talking about that in one of the previous chapters that I read recently. So I don't think that it's necessarily shapeshifters. I think it's somebody altering the immediate surroundings and the like, basically projecting image in people's heads to see what that person wants them to see. That's my perception of it, because he's talking about superpowers, like we have Charity, who can see the future, and I don't know what Justins is. I don't know what Caleb's is. Maybe his is seeing the future as well, because there was the whole scene of him and Sophia having family and then him having it's another crazy vision of that whole thing too.
Speaker 6:It happens in these later chapters. It's a little bit different.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's an interesting read.
Speaker 4:It still feels like there's a lot of trying to get you moments, like I said previously, so it feels like it's just over complicating things to some degree. As good as the stories are, it just feels like there's a lot of stories tied into this same linear story that each one on its own could have been dived into. It's kind of like the Visions of Bezik, where there's so many stories in the Visions of Bezik that not each one is kind of fully fleshed out and there's just too much going on. There's the story of Maria and her issue with her dad and everything that she's going through when she kills Daryl and then she dies almost immediately after, which I feel like again, was predictable, especially with how he set that up previously to her dying. It's just one of those things that keeps having this like we're setting up this character and this character is going to die, and then we're setting up this other character and telling you all about them and their paths and then they die and it's getting to a point where it's being, like I said, formulaic and predictable in that essence, because you're expecting this stuff to happen at some point. Even where I'm at with Justin, justin kills Maria and then runs off, and you've already got the Chekhov's gun about the propane and the leaking of the gas. So he's already said in the previous chapters about the fires burning and burning things down. It's all just setting up for this moment of an explosion and you expect it to happen. With Justin, as I said previously, it felt like it was going to happen and now you've got all these moments being foreshadowed, essentially that it's going to happen, and then he kills Maria and then he feels guilty and he runs off and obviously he's getting some redemption now with what you guys are going through. But there's just a lot like it's almost like a whirlwind of here's this bad guy and then he becomes a good guy again, and then here's this person that was murdered and then here's this other person that's murdered and we're trying to figure out if she was the bad guy or she was the good guy. We think she's the good guy and, wait, maybe she's the bad guy again.
Speaker 4:As good as the story has been so far, it gets to the point where it's becoming too much to me. And again, this is just my opinion, but it feels like it's just over-complicating things just to try and get you at times and even with some of the stuff that feels somewhat predictable and some of the stuff that you guys are saying has happened, that I'm thinking is not the case or whatever. It's just I don't know, it's becoming a lot. If that makes sense, even for trying to digest it to some degree as a story. And, like I said, it's still a good book. It just, I don't know, it feels like some of the fat could be trimmed on it to some degree.
Speaker 4:And maybe something to think about for future novels is not trying to fill too many storylines as much as you've got all these characters that you're trying to flesh out and give backstory to and give reason to what they do, and it does fill a lot of gaps and it makes you feel for them as characters. It's filler is what it is. Even though it's part of the story. It's bogging down the story to some degree, because you're just kind of like I want to read what's going on with the main story, not really so much with everything else that's happening. Like even the stuff with Daryl seemed like it was unnecessary, like them getting almost caught, sure, with them having to go through this whole rape scenario and this beating up and this torture and all this stuff. It just felt like it was added fluff when you could have just continued with the whole story, the main story of Mother and that stuff.
Speaker 4:I guess what I'm trying to say is stick to your key story and stop trying to have too many off-shoots stories that ultimately don't really lead anywhere, because once someone like Daryl's dead, we didn't really hear about him much in the beginning and then we have this whole bit of him being creepy and gross and then he rapes or tries to rape and then he gets killed and it was like that I guess are now getting closer and then one of them dies. But the overall thing with Daryl didn't need to be as in-depth and as long as it was, it just kind of felt like it could have been. You know, he tried to do what he did and then was killed by Maria because she was sick of it happening to others. I don't know, maybe I'm rambling, but this is my thoughts.
Speaker 5:I think that's okay to have some. It's been a while since we had some, I guess, constructive criticism like that. That was refreshing. It felt like maybe we were going too easy on Edward Edward. How do you think? What do you think about that?
Speaker 1:No, it's fair points. I definitely think it could be trimmed down. I just I think I just really wanted to develop every character so that you could like really feel for him in the moments that are good and bad, and I think that was just kind of the whole reason and like why Maria to me is such an important character because of that, because of those moments that she had like with her father and stuff. So it emphasized why she brutally killed that man as opposed to, you know, maiming him or something Like it just added more to why she was there in the hospital in the beginning with. I think that was kind of like the idea behind it. You know, like I totally understand some of it is fluff, but it's all about, to me, developing the characters and making something interesting. Some people like it, some people don't. I mean, it's all opinion.
Speaker 5:You know those action and sex scenes that sell the blockbusters, right, exactly? Hey, I see, I see it. Yeah, you gotta spice it up here and there. I mean, honestly, I've been really having Gen V vibes. There's a couple other shows that I've really been thinking about, where, yeah, this is just a great, it's turning into a really good adventure, and I can see where Sparky's going.
Speaker 5:Right at about where I started reading, though it really switches up where, all of a sudden, you have like this temple of doom feel, where the people are gathering and, like I don't know it does, there is a lot, and it like Sparky's saying there's a lot going on. Just in these last 50 pages I read like it it goes even deeper and even more. Like craziness is happening, and now we don't know if it's really Anna or not, like I don't know. I'm totally thinking, though, that you pick up a book like this, this size, and that's kind of what I was expecting was a little more backstory, a little more fluff, I guess, so I haven't even thought about it up until now, but he yeah, sparky, you did bring up some good points.
Speaker 5:Like Darryl, we did get a lot about him. There's, there's a few characters that you know, but in the spirit of like mystery and trying to figure out the, the riddle and what's going on and who's the killer, and all that, it is kind of fun to get kind of sidetracked a little bit. And I almost thought, I guess, if I was thinking along the same lines of Sparky, I was thinking maybe you were doing it on purpose and you are trying to like develop characters to make us think are they important or not? So I don't know, is that, is that something that that is done in other books or stories, where we kind of get taken down the wrong path and they're like psych, that character isn't that important and like I mean it happens in a lot of different stories too.
Speaker 1:But when I was writing this, like I said, I wrote this kind of with a small guide and I kind of let the story tell itself. Darryl, I think, was mentioned in the first like chapters, but I think he was one of those chapters that ended up getting removed by mistake when my computer shut down. But you know, he's not really introduced much until part two because he's kind of like the villain of part two, you know. So like each kind of like part has their own kind of like villain in a sense. So that was kind of where I was going with Darryl, because he was kind of like that, like the enemy of that chapter.
Speaker 1:So yeah, and as I was writing the story like new ideas with common stuff, and then when I have to go back I had to fix things. So it took a lot of work to make this story and I'm sure there are still things in this like like first few like chapters and stuff that I didn't pick up that I probably should have added. Maybe I should have mentioned Darryl a little bit more in, you know, part one, just to kind of, you know, make him feel like he was a character, maybe not have a backstory or anything, or but just mention him. But, like you, also got to think that it's it's only two weeks in between and we go from a couple of hours to, you know, two weeks later.
Speaker 5:I have a question, edward. We get a little glimpse into Caleb kind of being tossed around in time and we. It was like he's in the future with Sophia and they have a daughter, but then he's taken back into the past and he's with his parents again and he notices Dr Freeman in his memories and then someone else remembers Dr Freeman from their past. So those were just a few other little details I remember from these pages.
Speaker 5:What the hell is that all about? The time stuff? Are we getting a glimpse into different, like different you know, possible possible dimensions where their lives are playing out in different stories? Or is it, is it a hint at like they fix shit and they're able to bounce back in time and live a different, like Jumanji type style life, where it's like we fixed it and don't go on the trip, like the parents can still live now in this version of like I don't know, that's kind of I was reminded of Jumanji like what's going on here? Are they going to be able to go back in the past and fix the future? And he's getting a glimpse into that or what's going on?
Speaker 1:I'm confused. Well, I did say book four was going to be a sci-fi one, so I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 5:Oh, I love it, bro. I love time travel stuff and the idea of it and back to the future just was a part of my childhood. So maybe it's that the idea of time travel has always been so fun to me and fixing things and that excites me, but maybe maybe it's not. But is that? Can you give us a hint as if? What are those characters going to be in the next book? Yeah, straight up.
Speaker 1:I can't tell you that. I'll tell you. I'll tell you when the book's over.
Speaker 5:Okay, okay, I like it.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you who's going to be in the book. You'll probably figure it out, but we'll let you know at the end.
Speaker 5:And how many? How many gigawatts are needed for time travel in your story?
Speaker 1:8.81 gigawatts. You know, gigawatts isn't even a thing. It just made up some weird freaking term for gigawatts. I asked that one time. I asked my science teacher what a gigawatt was and she looked at me like I had 10 heads and she's like what the hell's a gigawatt? And then I said the back of the future thing. She's like, that's not real.
Speaker 5:She was so displeased with all my science terms. You didn't completely like ignore my question, but at the same time you didn't make fun of it. So I'm thinking maybe there is some fixing that can happen here. But here's a cool thing that I think you're doing with this story is you are taking it way back and you're taking it way into the future possibilities and I really think that, oh, that's what I wanted to touch on. This whole mother. It's a fucking parasite, bro. It came as a molecular, tiny, microscopic parasite and whatever the first host was was like some aquatic animal or something, and that's what mother is. Mother's a parasite, bro. That was cool and it made it like it's much more. It makes way more sense An alien entering our world and like the creatures riding in space machines with buttons, it's just like so overdone, right. And to have like an alien creature start out as a microscopic parasite. I loved that, bro. Do we get any more like hints as to what the first host body was or any of those little details? I loved that little plot.
Speaker 1:I can't remember. I must have wrote this like hi or something. I don't know. I must have like Ryan's level.
Speaker 5:Ryan, how are you, by the way?
Speaker 9:I'm good. I'm good. I'm just over here listening. I'm hearing some pretty interesting tapes, like the little bomb that I would dropped. I was kind of going to agree with Mr Sparky about kind of being a little confused, I would say, just because I feel like I'm all over the place with the stories. So I'm like having a hard time resonate or play myself and you know like kind of character I would say. But it's definitely I get it reason why it's done like that.
Speaker 9:So I find myself definitely enjoying it. I'm having a hard time following long entertainings in a sense, of how the story is really playing out. So I kind of get confused of white scenes. When you're talking, I'm like what didn't that just happen? Where did that happen, Right? And then I'm like, oh okay, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 9:I go back in the book and I see like where I was interpreting that and how I was, you know, understanding that and completely sometimes. Sometimes it's like pretty dead on, I would say five out of 10 times it's pretty close. So following pretty similar, just a little bit left field with it, Like in the storyline, it's pretty pretty cool. You got to create a mind really understanding, like just interacting with Edward and getting to know him just on a personal level and how he is like. It's like just like kind of understanding, like me getting no disaster. That has just this fast mind and can put it on paper. That's something I can.
Speaker 9:I've not ever been able to achieve. I'm not going to say I can't do it because I can do it, but it's just sometimes a little more difficult for some people to express that. But I want to, you know, say that you do a great job of within, within your expressions and your analogies and the storyline. I see it not just in the stories and working around them and being you know, within the projects and stuff. It's like I get it, I get it, and so it's a good talent you have. You're a great author and I am honored to be able to read your books and then get to know you on a personal level. And then also I know that you heard you're creative. Your mind is very creative. So if I ever have any kind of stumps in my kind of like, you know, building up storylines or anything, I'm going to come to you. So just know that that's a pretty cool talent you have.
Speaker 1:Thanks so much, ben. I really appreciate that. Yeah, I think I have a mind of a madman. I don't really know where these crazy thoughts come from. Too much horror movies, I think. Growing up watching the horror tropes, I don't know, and just wanting to play against them. I find I really like to be a troll, even when I'm writing my books. I guess that's the only explanation I can give. I'm going to get some cinnamon toast crunch, though you guys keep talking.
Speaker 5:I love that. Ryan, those were really, really nice things you said and I agree, and I'm constantly baffled also. Just like what, man? This is a lot of good stuff from one brain, and then you know, to bring it to fruition is another thing.
Speaker 5:You know, a lot of people have stories in their heads, they have characters built, they have plots that they've come up with, and a lot of people I know are like yeah, I've got a book I'm working on, or I've got a book I want to work on, or one day I've got a story I want to start to develop and it's just one of those things you hear a lot of people say and it's almost like one of the bucket list items that people really look up to. Like, whoa, you've got that on your bucket list. You want to write a novel, damn good for you. Like it really is one of those bucket list items that I don't dare to put on mine because it's such a daunting, huge task. And then, after I get it done, it's almost like, oh, I just kind of want to stow this away.
Speaker 5:Maybe I don't want anyone to read it, I don't want to get grilled, or like I don't want people to peek into my brain like that. We are getting a glimpse into your creativity and your imagination and everything. So then, to take it to that level, to have so many people read it and give their thoughts and give their opinions, it's really daunting and it's extremely impressive and I can only imagine there's got to be a lot of reward to it and fulfillment just from the creative side. But it's also got to be an exhausting process as well, like after you get done with one, how soon before you're ready to do it again, or do you need kind of like a little breather?
Speaker 1:I definitely need a breather because I find my whole being just goes into writing. I get it absorbed in that process, like when I actually start, and usually I need to just focus on that more so than anything else. Even now I'm trying to structure Silent a little bit more so that I don't run into the issues I wrote in this book where I just kind of went from the seat of my pants and decided to go way too ambitious. But I mean, we learned from our failures. So there's lots of things I see in this book as well that I'm like yeah, I can definitely fix on the next one. It's all learning opportunity and when you're writing you're going to fail and you're going to. You know you need to take those failures and learn from them.
Speaker 1:Like Winter's Eve learning from my failures from that, learning from the failures from this book, learning how to write and just make a more engaging story and also writing a story that isn't just straightforward, point A to point B. I like it, but I also like the element of surprise and I like building atmosphere and I don't know. There's just a lot of stuff that like I've come from writing this book, that I've learned from that definitely, and especially from this book club I mean every guy's opinions and stuff that really like helped me to be a better writer. So I can't thank you guys enough for reading this Like. It's been truly an honor.
Speaker 5:It's been an honor for us. My friend and I don't know if you saw Conquest he posted that he received your book. He was super stoked, and also BKBorn I'm still waiting to hear if I can get permission to post his video that he sent me. But he took the book and he gave it to I think it's his niece and bro she was so stoked. I guarantee I can get permission to at least share it with you, bro. Of course It'll make your day because she's obviously like a scary movie, scary book lover and he's like, oh, I can't wait to read this. She's really excited and it's a really sweet video.
Speaker 5:And so, yeah, your imagination and stories, it's starting to spread, bro, and your books are all over the world. That's got to be a cool feeling to man. Maybe I'll be brave enough one of these days to put it on my bucket list. I got fun stories up in my head, but I feel like I would need some major whiteboard sessions to like map it out and like feel good about it before I even would dive in. And because once I start, then it's like, ah, yeah, I started writing a book but then things got in the way and then I feel like I'd open up the door for failure. Is that how this works? Is this what it feels like to not take risks? Oh my gosh, that's maybe what this is is my first like. I'm always kind of fearless with anything. I'm terrified of writing a book, bro, but see, that's the thing, though.
Speaker 1:Like I've had that, like when I was writing Winter's Eve, half the time I was writing it I was thinking to myself nobody's going to read this book, and that's the thing. Like you don't know until you do it, and if you're already putting it in your head that no one's going to care to read it, then yeah, it's going to happen. The thing is, you just got to do it and if it sucks, then do it again. You know, nobody writes an amazing book first off and, like you know, like Winter's Eve, it is filled with mistakes, it's filled with errors. I read it now and I think, God, that's a piece of crap In terms of my writing skills. So, like you, really, you can't be too hard on yourself and I know I have after reading that, because it's been a while but you just got to keep going and realize that that was the start of something beautiful, you know.
Speaker 5:That's really good inspiration and good words of advice for any craft or venture that you dive into. Really, that was awesome. Anybody else here have those wild like ooh, it would be so cool to write a book Thoughts in their head. I know Mike Mann's a big reader. I don't know if you write Sparky, I've read your writing. You're a great writer as well, Mike Mann.
Speaker 6:I've considered it. I haven't tried writing yet, but I do like writing and I'm pretty good at writing. But I haven't attempted to write a book yet.
Speaker 5:Have you ever had that thought cross your mind like, ooh, that would be cool to write a book? Or has that never really been a thing? Oh no.
Speaker 6:I've seriously considered it multiple times. I just haven't taken myself to do it yet because I keep pretty busy with other things. So I feel like if I'm going to do it, I have to really commit the time to it, and I don't want to start it and then give up on it.
Speaker 5:Yeah, bro, that's what I was thinking too. Well, that's cool, that's good to know. Edward, you got to keep inspiring us with pep talks like that. You got a few of us here that we've got those secret bucket list items on there to write Sparky, how about you? I know you're a great writer.
Speaker 4:I don't know if I'd say I'm a great writer. I have ideas and I've written like two chapters of a novel that I want to write, and I have stories that I want to write, but I just don't have the skills necessary. I would say Like I've never written a full length story, so I don't have the knowledge on what to do and how to do it in that sense. So I know the gist of the stories I want to write and how I want them to go, but to flesh things out, I don't know. I just I don't feel like personally, I have the abilities currently to do that, to tell the story in a way that I would want to tell it. I don't know. It's something that I think about a lot, but not something that I've really ever sat down and dived into.
Speaker 4:I wrote the prologue to my book 70 years ago or something on my phone, much like Edward did with his first one, and then wrote the first chapter and then I hadn't touched it until we started doing Visions of Bezik and then I had changed the prologue to the first chapter and written a completely new prologue.
Speaker 4:But outside of that, you know, I haven't done anything else and, like I said, I know the kind of beginning, middle and end of the story and how I want it to end, but I just don't have all the tools I would say necessary in my wheelhouse to like fully flesh out a really well written story. Especially the way that this story is. It's very difficult to write it just because of how the plot is and how it's designed, without revealing any information. It's just. It's very difficult story because it's a lot of filler which I'm not a fan of. But you've got to fill the gaps with something and it'd be very easy to tell a story and, like you know, 30 pages, the way I want to. But to tell a full novel it wouldn't quite fully flesh out the breath of what I want to do with the story. So it's, I don't know, it's tricky.
Speaker 5:Fun thoughts. Look at this, edward. You got people thinking about writing stuff. I know it's been inspiring to me for sure. How about Breezy? Breezy? I know you've mentioned your. You write, you enjoy writing. We ever going to see a novel from you? We lost Breezy Ryan. How about you? I know you, you're big into the Reiki books as well, right, is there any like genre that you would ever be interested in in writing a book about?
Speaker 9:Yeah, I thought about it More or less like getting everything out of my head into paper, and that's why I was like I always said, if we had that perception helmet, I could put it on, and then people just receive it. And then, yeah, and then I can just put down my thoughts Because it's a great story in my head, but it doesn't come out that great on the paper and every time that I do try it's like okay.
Speaker 9:So it's more or less. I feel like I would have to like go kind of educate myself more on how to be a better writer in order to deliver something with in that. And one way I have thought about doing that is just by doing something small, nothing crazy, just like literally a pamphlet. You know, I was like here's information, here's what I'm saying and here's what you can do and start from there, and that's kind of like where my brain has gone and where I feel like I can execute something with a little bit of more of that. You know, writer knowledge of whatever the teaching, because there are some key points of language or punctuation that I think are very key in storytelling and I don't know that's what it was. I wanted to say where's a chapter? It was a font. Why was it in? Just a whole chapter was in a freaking small ass. Font Side is a heck. Only one in the book. Why? Why in the heck is it done like that?
Speaker 4:The Diana chapter you're talking about. That's like tallow size. Yeah, I skipped ahead and looked at that when you guys were already passed up.
Speaker 9:Yeah, right, that was just that's where I finished just the other day and I was got passed up. I just couldn't stop when there's kind of figured out and I can't understand it.
Speaker 4:You know, I don't get why the whole chapter is like that, I think it's because it's talking about, like, the long past of a dead person, or it's supposed to look like a journal entry of some kind.
Speaker 9:A really long journal entry is the whole chapter, like there's nowhere else in the book that does it. I just don't read ahead. You know what I mean, but I looked and there's nothing out there. So I'm confused on that. Is something to that, edward, or what you know, the key to that font?
Speaker 1:Do you want me to ruin it?
Speaker 9:I always read past it, haven't we? I mean, I feel like we're 500.
Speaker 4:It'll probably get revealed later.
Speaker 9:Well, we're right there. I feel like we're there honestly because I'm from that. Okay, I'll give you a hint.
Speaker 1:Ryan, I'll give you a hint. Why is every other font usually in the italics in this story? So far? I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 9:Okay, I'll take and run with that one. I have this little hot dog in front of me.
Speaker 4:The reason why any other time that I have font is italicized is because it's in someone's head. It's internal thoughts. So, it's either projected thoughts or whatever it's a whole chapter to be that way.
Speaker 9:I see where it's been done in other chapters, but not the whole chapter, so that's why I was just kind of caught off guard by it. So maybe I thought there would be a little more elaboration.
Speaker 4:Well, there might be later on.
Speaker 7:You haven't gotten to that point.
Speaker 9:I'm trying to push buttons when you're here.
Speaker 5:Hey, but that was a good question though, because Edward asked do you want me to ruin it? So it is important.
Speaker 9:Go back and read it again. I feel like I'm going to do it again this third time. What the heck does this mean?
Speaker 1:It might never be fully revealed through reading it, but what I'm saying is that there's a reason I did it, and if we can't figure it out at the end, I'll definitely explain it.
Speaker 9:Thank you, I'm like yes, yes yes.
Speaker 5:So, going into the next 100 pages, Edward, what thoughts are going on in your mind? What questions do you have for us? What do you want us to look out for and come prepared with next Monday?
Speaker 1:I'd like a full written essay from every single one, and I want it double spaced. I'll get you guys ready, you can eat shit.
Speaker 3:You can eat shit and die.
Speaker 4:Sorry, David, I know you don't like that kind of talk.
Speaker 9:You were supposed to be muted on that one.
Speaker 5:Okay, I'm looking at the pages here.
Speaker 1:We've got jobs.
Speaker 5:We've got 661, or we can back it up to 652.
Speaker 1:Or we can do it the old number 666.
Speaker 9:Is that where you're going to do it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're going to do 100 now.
Speaker 5:How are you doing, Dave?
Speaker 7:Good, how's it going? I've been enjoying this discussion as a fly on the wall.
Speaker 5:Hey, yeah, we saw you down there hanging out.
Speaker 1:We know you're busy. How far are you, Dave? Have you got?
Speaker 7:to do it. You know, not very far. There's a saying in Japanese that the will is there but the time isn't. This is probably one of the busiest times in my life with having moved our office brand new. You know religious thing that I'm doing. We called a calling and then Lane knows he was executive secretary before and with work. It's crazy man Like. This is such a great story and I want to read further, like there's no time doing all these tasks till midnight and I'm like, where did the days go?
Speaker 7:It's insane. It's cray, cray, but I like that spice that you guys do. Sparky, to answer your question, it's good. It adds some meatloaf, meat and potatoes to the discussion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, spicy 87.
Speaker 5:Yeah, Dave and I have sat through many R-rated movies cracking up over the swear words. We enjoy a swear word here and there, oh yeah.
Speaker 7:You're right Lane and kind of think of it. For a while I haven't heard those little sound bites from the country sounding guy, the southern sounding guy. Little tingle below the belt. Who is that? Who is that guy? What Bill, bill.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I was doing them when I had stuff set up on Discord, but it's hard to pull that stuff up and get it all working.
Speaker 7:So let's crack me up. Oh yeah, one piece of pie.
Speaker 9:Do you ever use those?
Speaker 7:lines In real life, IRL.
Speaker 9:Yeah, yeah, I should.
Speaker 7:I was curious because I did it.
Speaker 9:Somebody said something like hell yeah, I want a piece of pie.
Speaker 3:Like what.
Speaker 9:You wouldn't even stand.
Speaker 7:I should try it.
Speaker 5:Next family event. Dave, you and I can. We can speak in bill code.
Speaker 7:Yeah, everyone will give us puzzled looks Next time you have Thanksgiving, you can be like hell.
Speaker 1:yeah, I want a piece of pie, yeah exactly.
Speaker 5:There will be opportunities, for sure, oh man.
Speaker 2:God help me. Oh, there it is he pulled it off there we go I love it.
Speaker 8:Hell yeah, I want a piece of pie.
Speaker 7:Yeah, I'll come in at once. I love it.
Speaker 2:I had the feeling of tingle beneath the buckle. Good old.
Speaker 5:Bill, oh man, how did he grab me? Shout out to DAP for making the special guest appearance in our Discord happen the other month. What was that? A couple months ago now, right and it's been a minute Been a minute. Dap. You've been quiet tonight. Any DAP thoughts from you before we wrap up the space? Well, God help me.
Speaker 8:Yeah, that's what we need, A little bit of that, yeah. So I mean, I'm still going to get caught up. But as far as thoughts One of the chances that we go back to back authors, they both have underground, complex city type things and people that are heroes and it's kind of viral type shit and they live in two different countries Pretty wild.
Speaker 5:Yeah, written years apart apparently.
Speaker 8:Yeah. So everyone ever said, yeah, well, that's basically my book. I didn't know that he really meant it when he said that, when we were talking with Alexander about his stuff. So, speaking of that, I got invited to a Christmas party with Alexander. Fortunately, it's on my daughter's birthday, so we're going to try and get together and play some board games in January. My wife and I and his wife and he are going to be getting together. And well, not to like shill or take away from anything, but I did see I don't know you got an email that his new book is actually out too. He's going to kill you like it's done, so I don't know Wow.
Speaker 5:so I really, I really missed my opportunity, didn't I?
Speaker 8:Yeah, yeah it's gone because it's like there's already a mention of he's or she's going to kill you A sequel. He's rocking the role. He's going to kill you.
Speaker 8:So you say it's somebody's going to be yeah, it's going to be like comedic, you know, but then the other one's going to be serious. It says, because it says that trauma does things to someone is what it says. So I'm like, okay, so something wasn't too funny that happened in this one. Then and it's goes in the right and we're serious, take on it. So, oh shit, somebody's getting blood hurt over you know, somebody like not, I feel like it might be like Bernie's or something you know it's like it's like Bernie's, you know, it's like Bernie's, we can.
Speaker 8:Bernie's is like everybody's seeing we can. Bernie's right, like that's a classic, right, okay. So I mean, like you know, that story is like seriously like the series of, like the most like coincidental things happen in that. And then there's Bernie we can, or Bernie's to, or whatever. I forget what the second one's like, where they bring it back from the dead, the voodoo doll and everything try to find some money. I love that thing. He's got the arrows sticking through his head and like we're playing the music. He's just like you know, I love that. I used to watch that all the time. I thought it was hilarious when I was a kid. But yeah, so you guys are saying that mother is actually like a virus instead. So it's, is that what you're?
Speaker 3:saying Parasite, parasite.
Speaker 8:Yeah, she is a parasite, so is she little like like a microbe? Maybe, a first. So you're saying it's taken on the form of something else that's in the water. It has a host. Mother does Maybe. Okay, that makes sense that makes sense?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it does.
Speaker 8:Because I mean, like I mean that's kind of like the theory and you know resident resident evil, resident evil before you know, the village type stuff and everything, and how you ended up there in their parasites and stuff in that one.
Speaker 1:That's probably actually where I got that idea. Not going to lie, probably Okay, got it from playing that.
Speaker 8:So you combine Cthulhu and resident evil with a village, the village type T virus, the parasite type I'm pretty sure that resident evil also took that from Cthulhu.
Speaker 1:Yeah, probably.
Speaker 8:I mean I'm sure a lot of shit took it from Cthulhu.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 8:I mean, and just so people know, there is a game called a call of Cthulhu. So if you wanted to maybe think about what Edward has going on here, I bet that that has some sort of visual representation, wouldn't you say? I don't know if you played it or not, but yeah, sure, yeah. All right. So is that what you kind of envisioned the fish people to kind of look like? Like they're just kind of gross and melty.
Speaker 1:They're actually based off of probably going to end up ruining it. But the Philippines mermaids they have like this what are they called? There's a name for them. Oh, it's explained in the story later. I probably just wrote it.
Speaker 8:Philippines mermaids is that where they would like cut a human in half and a fish and like merge the bodies, something like that that's the like in a house of a thousand corpses. Fish boy, that's what he was Great movie yeah. Wow Because they'd have them at like, okay, do not look up Philippine mermaid, don't do it.
Speaker 4:He's going to burn his browser history now.
Speaker 8:Yeah, it's not safe because it's, yeah, the Philippines. Anyways, let it, let your mind wonder over there. I'm not going to say anything back.
Speaker 5:I see might man is raising his hand. I assume you've got to call it a night, good sir.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I'm already past my bedtime, so how far are we?
Speaker 5:reaching. I think we're going to read till six, six, six. Very fitting mother, mother, I have a good feeling we're going. Oh might man. I appreciate you, bro, and thanks for always saying peace out before you head out Catch you guys later.
Speaker 1:My man. This is an airport. You don't have to tell us you're departing.
Speaker 6:No, I do, I feel like I do.
Speaker 1:So you guys will miss me when I'm gone, so I always find it so rude when you say goodbye and then someone says that Don't tell an airport, you don't need to tell them to parody Like why you guys gonna be dick.
Speaker 6:See you guys.
Speaker 7:See you might man Later See you might man.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I think we're going to find out that more and more that mother is good quote unquote good and I think I'm starting to root for the protection of mother. And you know she's, she's like holy and we need to protect her and there's power there and, and I really am thinking that the idea that these keepers are perverting the beauty and truth and impurity of what mother could be. Yeah, I like where this is going, bro, and I'm I'm honestly, we've got 100 pages ahead of us, but looking at what we have left after it, this is going to be a great time and after it, this is going to be my hardest run yet of not reading on, because the next, the next little chunk, is going to have the ending. We're right there, man. It's crazy that we've gotten through this book and I think on this pace we will. We will finish before Christmas. You'll have. You'll have the Christmas time to relax and you won't have to think about what, what crazy opinions we have about your book.
Speaker 1:And then we can also get Christmas gifts for ourselves for the new book coming out. Maybe we can ask our loved ones hey, get this new girl. There you go, there you go, I love it, I love it. Have you guys, anyone seen the video above? Was curious if anyone's watched it.
Speaker 5:Give us, give us a little explanation at room.
Speaker 1:So my friend love cat, who is helping me design the art and stuff this is kind of like the calling of mother, the prequel story, just some quick video. I don't know if anyone's watched it, but something that I put together and it just so fitting. I wrote up kind of like the ideas I had and the I wrote the dialogue and then he put towards me I made this really cool video that's just haunting and kind of just brings the vibe of mother. So if you guys are interested, mother of Solana is going to be the prequel to keepers of the lighthouse and we'll be doing interactive stories and kind of just trolling the the web. We even came up with this really cool idea to like find famous videos from like NFT collections and then splice mother into their videos and just start showing them around. I don't know, we just want to troll.
Speaker 5:Quick three I like it. I like it. I think mother is coming. Wait. So at what point does like mother is coming Like? Is that the asteroid, then? Or what does that mean when you're saying mother is coming Like the token is here and everything, but as far as like a story, what's? How? Is it entering web three and what's like the? Yeah, what's the story?
Speaker 1:You're reading it.
Speaker 3:I don't.
Speaker 1:I don't want to give it away. I love the. I love being cryptic, I'm like Kido Kojima, but like the Walmart version.
Speaker 5:Yeah, see, even that, even that was cryptic.
Speaker 1:He's the one that made the, the middle gear, solid games and death stranding. He's very cryptic but I'm like the wall right version.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I should get a shit. I'm the dumb one that needs needs it all explained, man well, my friends, we have a nice chunk of reading ahead of us, but we've got almost a full five days to do it. I am Sad that the book is coming to an end and we'll have to wait till Future rounds with Edward for more, for more fun adventures, because it's not just the book, it's also joining up on these spaces and shooting the shit with you and getting to hear your perspective and being inspired by it. You know it's, it's always a real, a real privilege and I Am excited to figure stuff out and read the story and get all the answers. But at the same time there's that bittersweet coming to an end, transitioning to new books, and I'm I tell you what I've really, really enjoyed this round of fiction that we've gone through and Edward, just one more big pat on the back for you. I just love your imagination and I've really enjoyed this.
Speaker 5:So I'm looking forward to breezing through these next hundred pages and I'll do my very best to not read anymore. It's just right there at the end. I'm gonna have a hard time because I have a feeling we're gonna have even more surprises over these next hundred pages and I'll want answers now. So I'll do my best. But yeah, six, six, six, that's what we'll read to, and, and I'm excited, next Monday We'll pick it up again. So let me get get a little wheel here going. And then, sparky, I loved your intro song. You wouldn't happen to have an outro song ready also, would you?
Speaker 4:I'm still looking into it. Do you have a wheel that you want to do I?
Speaker 5:sure do, I'll get, I'll get the wheel going. Let me get my video recorder.
Speaker 1:Up. I was gonna say six, six, six, but we can't use that number, so Let me pick a number. I don't pick a number. Jesus, I can't pick a number. 33 will happen.
Speaker 5:Okay, 33. All right, perfect, one second, 33. Okay, shuffle it up again.
Speaker 1:I don't wait, I'm quitting, I'm done.
Speaker 5:Oh, shoot, come on, we'll, come on, we'll. We can't have Edward quit and I have heard from super spaces I'll be doing some announcements. It sadly looks like they are doing away with their tow apps. Okay, edward, they're gonna think we cheated if the if you pull this off. Oh, it went right by you, bro.
Speaker 5:Today I should have said 30 seconds oh my gosh, you gotta stop winning, bro, they're gonna Beat me up. Yeah, no, I'm just joking. That's exciting, that's very exciting. I I will get this posted. And I was saying, okay, the tow apps, it's not gonna be a thing. So it's gonna be like manual from here on out. So I don't have to like feel bad for explaining the process anymore, because it was cool, it was gonna be automated and everything.
Speaker 5:But I'm gonna get a new collection and We'll just do it manual style, easy peasy. So that's just the same rules 10 spaces. If you're not on these wheels yet, just let me know we will. We can still use super spaces to show proof of being on 10 spaces and we're just gonna run it like that, easy peasy. So I do see A couple people in the audience right now where it's like yo, hit me up, you must have like 10 spaces. We'll get you on the wheel. I'll have a whole new Collection. So, those of you that do have the tow app, I'll get one airdrop to you with the new collection and, yeah, sad day, super spaces, all that hope, all that love I put in. Yeah, ryan, what's up bro?
Speaker 9:They're going to Salana, so that's the alpha.
Speaker 5:Yeah, we heard, but yeah, they're moving the soul for the tow, for the tow apps or for like.
Speaker 9:Want to stay, but they're just moving to the salon so you can get a credit as DMs and definitely reach out to him. I think I did send you a message about that. It's the creator application, so you're gonna. It's gonna be a little, it's gonna be similar but kind of different over there. So, like I can't I don't know if I can explain it the way I'm supposed to or what I'm allowed to say Just because he they only had one space and what was then said to me isn't been said on the space, so I'm just gonna let it read with what was that on the space and and just get him on the DMs. And he told me that creator applications will be available on the tab, I believe with a 14, one or two Camera, which dates that you both date stick out of my head. So, yeah, they're moving to a.
Speaker 9:Very cool and we we want to. Well, we don't land. We got recognition for pandemania and super spaces with their what is it? Three or a hundred and something spaces that we did whatever, and then they called out Sparky and I and Pandemania as well. Tomorrow morning, they're having a space To do the recognition for all those individuals you're actually supposed to. Sparky and pan is supposed to message them. You can slide into their DMs what they put on the tweet as well, because there is a reward for you guys. So, and then tomorrow morning, that space is happening. Some more will be spoke about. I Don't, I'm not seeing. It's from a different account. They have another profile that's attached to super space, so you click on that as right there. So yeah, that's new news.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I'll see what. I'll see what details, what other details I can get out of them, because they said for now we have phased out tow apps for everyone, but you and and are developing an additional product for creators. You will hear about it soon. I just responded with, like, basically it just doesn't function. Though I'll see what kind of details I can get out of them. And it's so cool. I would love for it to function and, and it sounds like they're work on some other stuff, but I think We'll have a permanent fixture in place. I appreciate Ryan always Having the the contacts with people in this space. Oh, man, this, this could go for another hour if I brought this up with the whole your friend Benny. Oh, have you reached out to him? He's, he's not. He's got some heartache right now. So I just poor guy, but I just, yeah, I was saying that just because I appreciate you having contacts with all these people.
Speaker 9:So yeah, go ahead Now just stay with the web web. Third web stuff happened just recently to one of crazy stuff has happened so it Sucks. I'm just glad our collection here at Panamania is, it's fine and and safe, so that's. That's a good security to know.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and pretty wild, just to think of the timing, how, yeah, how we've held off the panda cabs and it has been a huge lifesaver Shout out to a late launch. It was never. You know, we never set a date and I'm so glad I just said coming 2023. So we haven't held the 31st, but luckily we missed a big, a big Firestorm, so it all worked out man well. I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 5:That was maybe that was a bunch of gibberish, what Ryan and I were just talking about, but yeah, just, we dodged a bullet. It sounds like that's pretty cool, so I'll have. I'll have more details on on the launch. That just Makes the whole panda cubs launch. It's gonna be so smooth and perfect and even better now that If we did launch, like even a month ago, it would have been like Pretty shitty from from the news.
Speaker 5:Essentially, just to summarize, some contracts that we were gonna use apparently are faulty and like the whole nft space doesn't see it coming. A lot of people Don't even know about this, but there's a lot of contracts out there that are super exploitable and we don't even know what the exploit is. But it's enough to get like All the devs super worried and completely merging all their contracts and everything, so I don't know how far it extends. Benny was telling me that it's much further than just third web, though, so pretty crazy. I Don't even know how we spread that news. I'm still kind of ignorant about the whole thing, ryan Do. Do we tell people like don't you assume there's Screwed?
Speaker 9:and they don't even know it. I would reach out to anybody and Appoint them to Go into the discord, because they are very helpful for the web To direct them in the right direction and how to relaunch the collection and deploy it on any on a safe contract. So there is a workaround, but it you can apply for a grant because you're always gonna have to Either, if you're you know, deploy new nfts and then get that out. It's gonna cost so, but that's not a guaranteed grant. So it's like we are doing numbers like 64 e throw is a lot of money. He does.
Speaker 9:Send that redeploy, like with the gas fees and everything you've been opposed to, optimized and and then we got it down to 60. That was like me. That's still like holy cow, like what the heck is going on here. So it's interesting to see what ways they're gonna approach it, and Open see is also gone through and taking everything down, so as other sites as well, but they're, they're being safe and, like you said, there's something deeper going on. Be interesting to find out what the truth is behind the scenes.
Speaker 5:Exciting world of web 3. Wow, it never, it never, fails to, you know, provide us with some good drama and entertainment, that's for sure. Well, sparky, good sir, do you have, do you have something picked out for us? I appreciate everyone's attendance tonight. Thanks for coming through. I Hear something. Oh yeah, there you.
Speaker 10:I'm writing this letter and wishing you well, mama. We all go to hell, hey.
Speaker 3:Oh, and to my time oh. Oh ra.
Speaker 4:I was my chemical romance with a song called Mama. You think it's self explanatory when I chose that song Talking about Mama, we're all going to hell and death and all that stuff. So I think it's a quite fitting song for the book Talking about lies and all that stuff. Interesting Fact about my chemical romance I'm going to talk about the singer of the band. I don't know if he's the lead singer, but I know he's in the band. His name is Gerard Way. He co-created the Umbrella Academy comic book and wrote the comic book and now that's obviously a Netflix show and all that, and so just kind of neat factoids about the band there.
Speaker 5:I love it. Thank you, Sparky. Thanks to everyone. Have a good rest of your week. We'll catch up on Monday.